Originally posted by DarthAnt66Unless you choose not to foster cooperation, and confront Revan with your factions own resources. Which is also kinda the point. mmm
The game is telling you that you can't play with cross-faction characters (and most likely specifically stated to avoid confusion).It doesn't overwrite the fact the entire point of the mission was for joint cooperation between both Jedi and Sith forces against Revan.
Too bad the point of the TFUIII reference was to cite the creator's opinion on the events of the second game, mainly that Vader let him win. That's a distinct line of argument from appealing to proposed story-lines that irreconcilably contradict what actually happens.
Not that it matters - Vader's TFUI powerscaling is enough.
Feel free to fill me in on your next move quickly so I can choose from eighty-seven different quotes praising Revan's power in comparison to others to match and beat it.
You'd have to go into more detail than "shape the galaxy" - Darth Vader certainly shapes the galaxy through his own actions as the Chosen One. Heck, Mon Mothma shapes the galaxy too.But anyway, the game never happened, so this line of reasoning is irrelevant.
"Part of the fun with designing them was if you have these incredibly powerful Force users and they have their whole hidden domain out in the distant reaches of the galaxy, what would that Sith empire really look like at the hands of these things? If they could shape entire planets or galaxies or nebulas, and they had all these slave races at their disposal, how cool would that be, to go into the heart of darkness and you're the lone Jedi and/or new version of the Sith confronting these guys? What would that be like? I thought that would be pretty epic."
You're actually digging Revan into a hole here. The interesting thing about feats against inanimate objects is that they're relatively stable "enemies", as opposed to Force-sensitive opponents that never fight one another and so cannot be clearly scaled. The fact that Vader can pull off more impressive feats than Revan, yet still cannot seem to ragdoll, say, Obi Wan, is just an indication that Obi Wan is a lot stronger than you think he is, not that AT-ATs and cruisers are not.
Characters' powers in relative to the grand scheme of things are clearly evident. In a rare situation where they aren't, a simple debate can establish that.
The domination of characters in battle is far more relevant than moving or collapsing a structure since it actually shows the characters' abilities in battle. Your argument that "Darth Vader isn't bad, just every other Jedi he fought during the Jedi Purge is fantastic" is ridiculous. Many of the Jedi that Darth Vader fought don't have the praise, feats, or even implication that they are greater than the rank-and-file Dark Jedi that Revan slaughtered through en masse. The fact he didn't overwhelm them, despite being challenged in many circumstances, makes abundantly clear he can't against an opponent like Revan, who tanked a concentrated blast that threatened to affect all life in a one kilometer radius.
Unless you wish to argue that Jedi X is more powerful than Darth Marr or Satele Shan, in which any grain of credibility you have is diminished?
BTW, Revan may initially ragdoll the strike team, but he ultimately loses.
It's also the more recent source material
more relevant than most to the timeline (founding of the rebellion)
and the one with the most realistic graphics.
And it's pretty circular to declare these Jedi that score blows against him to be "weak" when we otherwise don't know how powerful they are.
Your argument that all these Jedi can stand against Darth Vader because "they're just that good" is quickly crumbling any hope for him beating Revan.
Also, Vader's power isn't some sort of stable variable - he's stronger in TFU than he would be in earlier years, and he's stronger in RotJ than he is in TFU.
Also, it's pretty silly to try to discount TFU feats for having the stench of wank, and then to base your support of Revan on TOR ones.
Like taking on a guy who can disintegrate cruisers and one-shot hundreds of stormtroopers at the same time?
Seems like desperation.
For the record, don't bother responding, you should be banned by either tonight or early tomorrow for socking.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66How? A single non-joint op hardly negates all the cooperation that made it possible in the first place. 😬
Which contradicts everyone saying "we must unite or fall."
Originally posted by DarthAnt66No, the novel implies Vader was holding back, which is what Witwer claims he was doing...
This is supported by the fact that neither the novelization nor comic conveyed the message that Darth Vader intentionally let Starkiller win. It specifically made note of his intentions to use Juno Eclipse as bait to make Starkiller his dark apprentice again, thus "irreconcilably contradicting what" you are trying to argue.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
How? A single non-joint op hardly negates all the cooperation that made it possible in the first place. 😬
The main point of the cooperation was to overwhelm the temple's defenses, hence why a joint operation force against Revan was necessary.