Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No. It seemed to convey the idea that, when writing the script for the third game, they went back and thought about things differently, and thus the comments. This is supported by the fact that neither the novelization nor comic conveyed the message that Darth Vader intentionally let Starkiller win. It specifically made note of his intentions to use Juno Eclipse as bait to make Starkiller his dark apprentice again, thus "irreconcilably contradicting what" you are trying to argue.
🙄 The novelization takes place from Starkiller's perspective, and obviously wouldn't reveal Vader's trick because it was supposed to be a reveal. TFUIII was never made because Disney purchased Star Wars, for f*ck's sake.
I enjoy how you were intentionally vague since no powerscalling provided in the game can match the powerscalling, or even direct quotes, that can be used with Revan.Feel free to fill me in on your next move quickly so I can choose from eighty-seven different quotes praising Revan's power in comparison to others to match and beat it.
TFU Vader is on Starkiller's level, and Starkiller can disintegrate cruisers and one-shot hundreds of stormtroopers at the same time.
"Part of the fun with designing them was if you have these incredibly powerful Force users and they have their whole hidden domain out in the distant reaches of the galaxy, what would that Sith empire really look like at the hands of these things? If they could shape entire planets or galaxies or nebulas, and they had all these slave races at their disposal, how cool would that be, to go into the heart of darkness and you're the lone Jedi and/or new version of the Sith confronting these guys? What would that be like? I thought that would be pretty epic."
Too bad it never happened and you got left with TOR instead, eh?
And you also have no idea if hypothetical Revan actually matches them in power, lol.
Easily one of the worst arguments ever constructed in the history of this forum (note that Beniboybling is an active member here).Characters' powers in relative to the grand scheme of things are clearly evident. In a rare situation where they aren't, a simple debate can establish that.
The domination of characters in battle is far more relevant than moving or collapsing a structure since it actually shows the characters' abilities in battle. Your argument that "Darth Vader isn't bad, just every other Jedi he fought during the Jedi Purge is fantastic" is ridiculous. Many of the Jedi that Darth Vader fought don't have the praise, feats, or even implication that they are greater than the rank-and-file Dark Jedi that Revan slaughtered through en masse. The fact he didn't overwhelm them, despite being challenged in many circumstances, makes abundantly clear he can't against an opponent like Revan, who tanked a concentrated blast that threatened to affect all life in a one kilometer radius.
Unless you wish to argue that Jedi X is more powerful than Darth Marr or Satele Shan, in which any grain of credibility you have is diminished?
I love how nowhere in your reply do you actually respond to the argument that you were quoting, and instead just repeat your original assertion in different wording. I'm not going to deal with the circular reasoning fallacy you repeat again with respect to Vader's enemies, since it seems to be a little beyond your abilities. I'll instead deal with the only two hints of an actual argument that made your way into this:
1. vs. feats are more relevant to combat - too bad the feats in question, like Vader standing up to Galen and Galen one-shotting hundreds of soldiers at once, happen in the middle of combat. Try again.
2. Revan tanked a blast that could "affect life" within a one kilometer radius - Vader was standing right next to Starkiller's suicide blast that was visible from space, lol. Try again.
The original point that you completely ignored was that feat vs. "inanimate objects" provide us with a common reference point that controls for the confounding variable of unknown-strength opponents. When you finally graduate from high school, you might have to take a statistics class that will test you on things like this.
Due to the intervention of his spirit. He had the strike team dead to rights otherwise. Try again.
A strike team of people who are totally on Vader's level. 🙄
But if you can make actual arguments as to how the protags compare to Vader, rather than just throwing out an arbitrary feat and expecting people to translate it to "Revan > Vader" by intuition or something, go ahead and try.
There's an ongoing Darth Vader comic series and a television show that both put Darth Vader back in his place.
You're mentally retarded. That's canon Vader, and he seems to be able to take out AT-ATs just fine.
And so that means all the content concerning its foundation is to be looked upon in the same light?
No, it means that you basing your entire argument on just dismissing TFU feats because you don't like them is lolworthy.
That's... that's not even remotely relevant.
What's your standard then, aside from the hilariously circular one that we shouldn't accept feats that are too powerful?
No, it's not. There's no evidence that most are greater than your average Jedi, which are comparatively weak compared to the higher tiers.Your argument that all these Jedi can stand against Darth Vader because "they're just that good" is quickly crumbling any hope for him beating Revan.
Logic 101: not having other feats for these Jedi means that their abilities independent of their performance against Vader would be unknown, not weak. It makes more sense to use the known quantity (Vader) to measure the unknowns, not the other way around. Duh.
I never denied that. I fail to see how that would create such a drastic change, however, when Darth Vader close to RotJ sometimes still fails to live up to the hype.
Your lack of understanding of the distinction between upper and lower limits aside, you still haven't provided a single cogent argument as to why I can't use TFU feats, aside from them being inconvenient to your Revan fanboyism.
Do you have quotes from the makers of SWTOR that state they specifically wanted the characters' Force abilities to be "amped up"? If not, sit down.
😆 Yes, TFU creators wanted their protag to be extremely powerful, so they made him incredibly powerful. The question of *why* he's really good doesn't change the fact that he is, roflamo.
Your response doesn't remotely correlate with what I said. Why are we ignoring 37 Darth Vader confrontations and just focusing on the two he did the best in?
Because the other 35 are against unknowns, and I understand basic statistics?
For the record, don't bother responding, you should be banned by either tonight or early tomorrow for socking.
Of course you think that. 🙄
BTW, I've been told by other sources that you're a socially awkward, ugly loser who's afraid to talk to people in real life, so whatever you can frame me for on an internet board, in the real world, you still lose. Nothing you do can change that.
