Is Palpatine a universe buster?

Started by The Ellimist19 pages
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Only when the canon statements are properly interpreted and in the proper context.

The more straightforward interpretation usually gets the benefit of the doubt. When a dozen different sources affirm Sidious's status as the most powerful Sith Lord of all time, it begs the imagination to come up with a different rationalization for each.

Well you have to remember that, thanks to the SWTOR heretics, we've been ushered into an age where we can bluntly reject sources and quotes we don't like.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Legends arguments are getting somewhat validated by Swtor expansions tbh.

lol where?

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Only when the canon statements are properly interpreted and in the proper context.

Ok, now I know who you are.

Being the smart manly man you are, then interpret it for us properly.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Well you have to remember that, thanks to the SWTOR heretics, we've been ushered into an age where we can bluntly reject sources and quotes we don't like.

lol where?

Well he was going on about how Vitiate couldn't be killed and how he was obviously capable of planet-busting and was vastly superior to everyone else in the era. Things that have been shown to be more or less true.

Vitiate hasn't busted a planet and he did die via a sword to the back. And I don't think anyone denied he was the MVP of the era?

Leg's batting average is low, which is why everyone mocks him.

Including other members of the SWTOR crew.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
The more straightforward interpretation usually gets the benefit of the doubt. When a dozen different sources affirm Sidious's status as the most powerful Sith Lord of all time, it begs the imagination to come up with a different rationalization for each.
A dozen or so oou sources claiming sidioud is the best of the best? Really? Show me 5. It looks like there's more rationalization from the pro sidous crowd than anybody else.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Well you have to remember that, thanks to the SWTOR heretics, we've been ushered into an age where we can bluntly reject sources and quotes we don't like.

lol where?

the antedeluvians and the pro sidioud fan base has been doing that for a decade. This is normal.

@the "Vitiate's shit is a ritual" excuse: this still doesn't answer the question. Would you have been fine with a universe busting ritual of Sidious's? Would you have been fine with a star busting Force storm? No? What about a planet buster? Where do you draw the line, exactly?

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
A dozen or so oou sources claiming sidioud is the best of the best? Really? Show me 5. It looks like there's more rationalization from the pro sidous crowd than anybody else.

Vader imagined the power that could be his if he crushed Palpatine and established his own rule over the Empire. But first, he would need his own apprentice. By himself, he could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known.

Vader: The Ultimate Guide

Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history.

The New Essential Chronology

Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting.

The Complete Visual Dictionary

When Yoda crosses sabers with the movie's arch-villain, he doesn't launch into a pinwheeling display of acrobatics, as he did against Count Dooku in Episode II. Instead, Yoda faces the dark side's fury, channeled by the most powerful Sith Lord in history. "Rob Coleman wanted Yoda to feel the power of his enemy," says Wheless, "like a force he's never dealt with before."

Insider #86: Yoda's Right Arm

Even Ulic Qel-Droma would be envious of Palpatine. He had succeeded where all others had failed in taming the Dark Side.

Taken from Dark Empire Sourcebook

lol

Sidious has been flat out called or implied to be the most powerful Sith ever more times and by a greater number of sources than any other Sith. Anyone who suggests otherwise is either a liar or ignorant of the source material.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
the antedeluvians and the pro sidioud fan base has been doing that for a decade. This is normal.

Nah. Neph's response to the Comics Companion quote was, verbatim I think, "I refuse to acknowledge that." 😬

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Vitiate hasn't busted a planet and he did die via a sword to the back. And I don't think anyone denied he was the MVP of the era?

Leg's batting average is low, which is why everyone mocks him.

Including other members of the SWTOR crew.

He killed everything on Ziost in an inferior condition, which is what I meant. No-one can actually blow up a planet, lol. And Vitiate walked that shit off and is still going strong. We don't know yet of a way he could permanently die and neither does anyone in-universe.

There was also all that shit people said about Vitiate being shitty without rituals, which is now completely jossed.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Because draining the Force, via the Force, and thus killing all life in the galaxy, is a wholly different scale compared to literally destroying a limitless universe with limited energy to do so.

You do agree then that neither logic nor the laws of physics can support one over the other? And so you are trying to draw a line in scale, despite there being no confirmed source telling us the limit of Palpatine's reserves? But we do know Palpatine is considered the most powerful sith. We do know it's constantly implied and stated that he is one with the dark side and it's most powerful expression. And at that point we can conclude that due to his level of rage, added to his insanity, he was tapping fully into his raw might in a very careless way, which according to the comics companion, threatened all of space.

You just can't compare the power of a star, black hole or anything to something of which you have no way of concluding just how powerful it is. You're telling me how powerful it can't be, yet it's fake. You're arguing that becoming an omnipresent being to an entire galaxy because of a ritual and being less powerful makes it more believable, despite logic and the laws of physics still being equally against it.

👍

Ok my last paragraph just erased.

Oh well, hopefully you see that trying to draw a line in scale is completely unfair. The messy world of comics made it's way into SW, and in SW Palpatine is 'that badguy.'

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66

You just can't compare the power of a star, black hole or anything to something of which you have no way of concluding just how powerful it is.


Less powerful than Luke, who is not as powerful as a star.

Lol what does "not as powerful as a star" even mean? The watts he can output?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Less powerful than Luke, who is not as powerful as a star.

IDK how much power Luke would be able to dish out, tapping into his full potency under the same circumstance, using the dark side of the force, which is a very quick way to one's potential.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Less powerful than Luke, who is not as powerful as a star.
What showings does a star have. 🙂

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
IDK how much power Luke would be able to dish out, tapping into his full potency under the same circumstance, using the dark side of the force, which is a very quick way to one's potential.

If it was as much as a star, literally everyone would have been dead. It's not even close.

Hmmm, but maaaaybe Luke is +universe busting....