So I notice this from the wiki:
9 February 2014, the federal popular initiative "against mass immigration" was accepted by 50.3% of voters. The referendum aims to reduce immigration through quotas and limits the freedom of movement between Switzerland and the European Union.
Was this ever actually enforced? Since multiple people in this thread have claimed the EU will absolutely not trade with you unless your borders are 100% open.
So surely the freedom of movement wasn't actually ever limited? Right?
Originally posted by It's xyz!
Switzerland is part of the Schengen area. People can move in and stay in a Hotel, but would have to register as Swiss citizens of they want to live and work there. They don't, because tight immigration laws. They're like a big hotel.
So in other words you are saying their tight immigration laws do indeed work and cause people to not want to permanently immigrate there?
But no see you are wrong because we are told this is one of the foundations of the EU, the whole freedom of movement. You must be mistaken.
There are distinctions.
Schengen area: borderless. Going on a train from Italy to Switzerland is easier than going on a train from Arizona to California.
Movement of labour: As an EU citizen, you are free to register as a citizen of another EU country provided you have successfully applied for a work permit.
One is simply not going through any crap when travelling to another schengen country, and the other is registering to work in another country.
Ireland, EU, not Schengen.
Switzerland, Schengen, not EU.
A Frank can travel through Switzerland to visit Austria, but can't exploit movement of labour in Switzerland. A Frank can exploit movement of Labour in Ireland, but can't travel there without answering where they're going and why.
Originally posted by Surtur
So in other words you are saying their tight immigration laws do indeed work and cause people to not want to permanently immigrate there?But no see you are wrong because we are told this is one of the foundations of the EU, the whole freedom of movement. You must be mistaken.
Yes and no. Registering as a Swiss citizen is harder than becoming a UK citizen. But you can check in a hotel whenever you feel like it, provided you are in the EU at the time. It's harder to be a Swiss citizen, which I think is what you're asking.
Originally posted by Surtur
So then are their borders open or not?Let me rephrase: are their immigration laws tighter than the ones in Britain?
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Sounds amazing😂
Though I can tell you that people will look at that list of things about Switzerland and will excuse it by saying it is because Switzerlands population is much smaller than the UK's.
Originally posted by It's xyz!
Yes and no. Registering as a Swiss citizen is harder than becoming a UK citizen. But you can check in a hotel whenever you feel like it, provided you are in the EU at the time.
So then it is simply not accurate to state the EU won't trade with you unless you have 100% open borders.
Absolutely. The Swiss import and export goods, but don't believe in movement of labour. Switzerland is more powerful than the EU because nazi gold.
Originally posted by Surtur
Though I can tell you that people will look at that list of things about Switzerland and will excuse it by saying it is because Switzerlands population is much smaller than the UK's.So then it is simply not accurate to state the EU won't trade with you unless you have 100% open borders.
Originally posted by It's xyz!
There are distinctions.Schengen area: borderless. Going on a train from Italy to Switzerland is easier than going on a train from Arizona to California.
Movement of labour: As an EU citizen, you are free to register as a citizen of another EU country provided you have successfully applied for a work permit.
One is simply not going through any crap when travelling to another schengen country, and the other is registering to work in another country.
Ireland, EU, not Schengen.
Switzerland, Schengen, not EU.A Frank can travel through Switzerland to visit Austria, but can't exploit movement of labour in Switzerland. A Frank can exploit movement of Labour in Ireland, but can't travel there without answering where they're going and why.
TBH Schengen is much closer to the original EU ideal of Schumann.
If only the staunch bureaucrats did not enter the picture and rendered EU a red-tape nightmare.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
😂Speaking of, where is Bardock?
He opened up his home to some refugee's and hasn't been heard from since. Unfortunately the local police aren't taking it very seriously because apparently prior to his disappearance he phoned the police 38 times within a 48 hour period.
Originally posted by Stigma
Immigrated to Syria, so I've heard.
Originally posted by Surtur
He opened up his home to some refugee's and hasn't been heard from since. Unfortunately the local police aren't taking it very seriously because apparently prior to his disappearance he phoned the police 38 times within a 48 hour period.
literally lol.
I think that's what everyone was concerned with. I'm a 3rd gen pollack and I see Romanians and Poles and they're ****ing everywhere! Granted, some of them work, but they struggle to find work. They also have a much higher standard of living and switch to drugs and alcohol. Social housing and sending money to their own countries etc. It's bad for them as well as the non immigrant population. Movement of labour was disastrous and Farage was right.
Originally posted by Stigma
👆TBH Schengen is much closer to the original EU ideal of Schumann.
If only the staunch bureaucrats did not enter the picture and rendered EU a red-tape nightmare.
Originally posted by Time-ImmemorialBardock is a sore loser and his trophy child gf is moving to Japan. She got raped by too many good workers who contribute to German economy.
😂Speaking of, where is Bardock?