Originally posted by abhilegend
If you can quantify world engine, be my guest.Such feats are meaningless anyway. Only against characters the strength can be measured.
No dumbass, it's a very meaningful, telling and relevent feat. You are a child that covers his eyes and plugs he's ears when you encounter something you don't like.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, by a hammer and energy attacks. Not through sheer strength. Gladiator did it with sheer strength.In less attacks than Thor too.
Masterson was on the ground and had to literally sucker Gladiator with living lightning to stun Gladiator who was gloating above him.
😂
Not a single win for Thor against a legit herald for 40 pages.
but haven't you made the argument that his energy attacks are meaningless, weak or some other bullshit?
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Originally posted by Horrificus
At the request of many, many board members and mods, I shall govern over this dispute.Let me say, this is quite an honor and I shall do my best to ensure that all arguments are processed and reviewed in earnest. Unless it brings me pleasure to do otherwise. In which case, I shall create a great deal of unrest, unpleasant emotions and general loathing amongst my former peers.
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Originally posted by celeyhyga17
So nothing? Concession accepted.
Yeah, more delusions. Good, good.
Abhi... Why are you refuting what was clearly shown in the comic.
Bottom line is Warlock believed him to be even more powerful during B&T. Dynamic strength involved? You betcha!
Because Warrior Madness never showed an increase of strength and Blood and Thunder only showed it due to an adrenaline boost.
I'd like to see where Warrior Madness increased Thor's strength against Warlock.
Correct. W/o Mjolnir he physically overpowered a guy who he previously was never able to. A guy who he conceded had dominated him(and Surfer) in the past.
Yes, due to a sudden adrenaline boost akin to mothers lifting cars above their babies and which left him too weakened. That's not a strength boost.
That's simply giving everything you have in one shot.
Lol no. No one is saying Thor became was 4x stronger. If you choose to give that precise calculation that's on you. What he clearly did on panel was find the strength that enabled him to defeat an opponent who was stated to have 4x his strength? Dynamic strength? You betcha!
Yes, the same as finding someone's spirit doesn't means he was catching his own spirit.
That's a metaphor for getting second wind you doof.
Sure if you want to continue ignoring what was shown.
More power to you.
Hahaha, more delusions. Good, good.
So nothing? Concession accepted.
Hahaha, more delusions. Good, good.
Abhi... Why are you refuting what was clearly shown in the comic.
Bottom line is Warlock believed him to be even more powerful during B&T. Dynamic strength involved? You betcha!Correct. W/o Mjolnir he physically overpowered a guy who he previously was never able to. A guy who he conceded had dominated him(and Surfer) in the past.
So just parroting yourself now?
Hahahaha. You are just broken now.
Lol no. No one is saying Thor became was 4x stronger. If you choose to give that precise calculation that's on you. What he clearly did on panel was find the strength that enabled him to defeat an opponent who was stated to have 4x his strength? Dynamic strength? You betcha!
So just parroting yourself now?
Hahahaha. You are just broken now.
Sure if you want to continue ignoring the actual story.
Damn you are a broken watch now.
"Artificial restoration"... Pretty clear to me.
Yes, his powers are restored. Vision even clarifies that his godly glories are back.
Amazing how that was never brought up but Black Widow saying something is the truth now.
Again he simply is not as powerful with Leader's "artificial" power up compared to having his power properly restored after the issue with Yggdrasil. It's as if you are saying Leader has access to immeasurable Agardian magic. Sometimes common sense works.
It wasn't a power up. It was a restoration.
How should they know whether or not he's back to his normal self? Oh wait he's not because my stance is backed up not only by Black Widow's statement, but corroborated by his reaction(nearly fainting) after using his power. A scene that happened prior to him stating he obtained his powers back while flying over nyc. This is too easy...
Yes, the restoration wasn't permanent. But the warrior madness and his godly powers were as genuine as possible. I have Vision and Thor's admission as proof.
You have Black Widow. Not even a comparison TBH.
Lol.. You used a scan from a companion guidebook. A scan by the way that gave background info to a character(Overgirl). If I post the whole page you will not only look like a liar, but a troll of the highest order. Just stop...
Its not a companion guidebook. Its a distinct comic book written by the writer of the event itself.
The sheer desperation here is sad.
Just realized something. You used scans of BRB supposedly weakened that happened way after your claim of him being "weakened" when he was able to temporarily put Thor down.
Wut? Thor had already beat the shit out of him twice and Bill was defeated by a single energy blast at that point. He was as weakened as he could be until you think an energy blast can do so much damage to Bill.
Wtf Abhi? That is why you can't be trusted with scans and have all but lost your credibility in these forums. Did you not think you were going to get caught again? The scans you used happens long after he received both beatings from Thor which makes your claim completely without merit. I mean wtf! Please go hide under a rock.
Wut? Are you really this dense? If Bill was weakened long after Thor's beating, why wouldn't he be when he beat Thor down seeing how he just got the shit kicked out of him before that?
Are you really this dumb? Bill became weaker as the time passed?
😂
Oh you are hopeless.
Show me where it was "flat out denied by writers". Lol...
Mighty Thor 385. Read it yourself.
Not to the same degree. At these levels, it is clear and much more evident. And yes, he was subconsciously holding back his strength vs Grogg. To deny that is to completely ignore what'a on panel.
Nope. Simple adrenaline boost. It has never been stated for Thor.
Show where it states that only Hulk can increase his strength in the scan. I'll be waiting. Lol...
You really are blind, aren't you.
"But of Hulk alone can be said, the longer he fights, the stronger he grows."
Can you see it now?
Already showed you multiple scans of him doing so. You do know the more you ignore proof the more you look like an idiot right?
Not a single instance of dynamic strength. Just adrenaline boosts.
So again nothing. Concession accepted.
Haha, more delusions. Good, good.
Quoted out of context? No foof. You mistook HP DD with Dos. For some reason you brought up Clark's fight during DoS when I clearly brought up amping during HP.
Wut? Superman was never amped in HP.
It's good of you to show DD's dynamic strength.
And Superman killing him with brute strength.
Too bad it's already happened multiple times. That's truth bruh.
Never did. All adrenaline boosts.
Sure he was. Other than weapons his ability to heal was clearly better.
Nope, never shown or implied.
Actually no real proof of dynamic strength for Clark during HP since he was utterly dominated there. OWAW is a better source.
Because Doomsday himself was adapting faster. Not a fault on Superman's end.
And Superman was actually weakened by Doomsday's poison.
Go back if a couple of pages if you want to refresh your memory with proof.
I already did. Those are once again just "excuses".
All I see is your bitching and moaning.
Concession accepted on your attempt to move goalposts.
Hahaha, more delusions. Good, good.
Hulk was forcing his arms down. Hulk had the advantage with gravity on his side. Thor was pushing up and ultimately lifted Hulk off the ground. Hell Hulk's dumbfounded reaction speaks volumes. Seriously? Come the phukk on...
Yes, he lifted Hulk off ground. That's it. Hulk actually forced Thor to his knees.
That's far better proof of greater strength than lifting somebody up.
Read above since you were already proven wrong concerning Defenders 10.
Only in your delusions.
Have some common sense.
Have some brains. I know the thor fanboyism has melted off your brain but come on.
This is idiotic even for you.
Come. Let's expose you some more.
Hahaha, more delusions. Good, good.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
LOL, you are delusional, Hulk? He's the go to guy? The only thing CLOSE to a go to guy Marvel has is Thor. Who ****ed up Sentry?Superman, yeah, always, that's how you got turned into a disciple.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
When did Superman start increasing his strength "at will?" 😆
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
No dumbass, it's a very meaningful, telling and relevent feat. You are a child that covers his eyes and plugs he's ears when you encounter something you don't like.
Originally posted by Blue Area VetShut up already kid.
but haven't you made the argument that his energy attacks are meaningless, weak or some other bullshit?
You are the just LOB jr at this point. Except he is actually somewhat entertains.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, more delusions. Good, good.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because Warrior Madness never showed an increase of strength and Blood and Thunder only showed it due to an adrenaline boost.I'd like to see where Warrior Madness increased Thor's strength against Warlock.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, due to a sudden adrenaline boost akin to mothers lifting cars above their babies and which left him too weakened. That's not a strength boost.That's simply giving everything you have in one shot.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, the same as finding someone's spirit doesn't means he was catching his own spirit.That's a metaphor for getting second wind you doof.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hahaha, more delusions. Good, good.Hahaha, more delusions. Good, good.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So just parroting yourself now?Hahahaha. You are just broken now.
So just parroting yourself now?
Hahahaha. You are just broken now.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Damn you are a broken watch now.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, his powers are restored. Vision even clarifies that his godly glories are back.Amazing how that was never brought up but Black Widow saying something is the truth now.
Originally posted by abhilegend
It wasn't a power up. It was a restoration.Yes, the restoration wasn't permanent. But the warrior madness and his godly powers were as genuine as possible. I have Vision and Thor's admission as proof.
You have Black Widow. Not even a comparison TBH.
Lol... Thor was so hopped up on fighting that he would take a reduced state power up and still fight. Again keep ignoring multiple glaring facts.
Leader does not have vast Asgardian power at his disposal.
Thor had bouts of weakness during this so called "restoration".
He was only truly restored in Thor 501 through the involvement of Odin and Yggdrasil. Gtfo.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Its not a companion guidebook. Its a distinct comic book written by the writer of the event itself.The sheer desperation here is sad.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Wut? Thor had already beat the shit out of him twice and Bill was defeated by a single energy blast at that point. He was as weakened as he could be until you think an energy blast can do so much damage to Bill.Wut? Are you really this dense? If Bill was weakened long after Thor's beating, why wouldn't he be when he beat Thor down seeing how he just got the shit kicked out of him before that?
Are you really this dumb? Bill became weaker as the time passed?
😂
Oh you are hopeless.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Mighty Thor 385. Read it yourself.You really are blind, aren't you.
"But of Hulk alone can be said, the longer he fights, the stronger he grows."
Can you see it now?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope. Simple adrenaline boost. It has never been stated for Thor.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Lol...
Oh you mean like how he was subconsciously holding back against Grogg here? He was holding back and didn't even realize it.
http://i.imgur.com/z0v6UTL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1MyHs2i.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DEhjYuq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kftXIYH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tdVs5kO.jpg
Dynamic power? 😂
Originally posted by abhilegend
Not a single instance of dynamic strength. Just adrenaline boosts.
Originally posted by abhilegend
There are other examples, but too many to list.Just too name a few would be his battle with Annihilus. During a time with his bouts of weakness (due to Loki), Thor went from getting ko'd to outright walking through and no selling his attacks later on.
Or when Grogg beat him down when he had his strength siphoned. He was beaten and shackled with no hope of escape only to suddenly break his bonds after being taunted and mercilessly beat Grogg in an almost blood lusted state.
Or the time it took him hours to beat one of Gorr's black berserkers to outright one-shotting them.
Like I said. Too many and too often.
[QUOTE=15768122]Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]
Wut? Superman was never amped in HP.And Superman killing him with brute strength.
Never did. All adrenaline boosts.
Good for him.
Whatever you say.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope, never shown or implied.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because Doomsday himself was adapting faster. Not a fault on Superman's end.And Superman was actually weakened by Doomsday's poison.
Probably so, but he had MBox healing him pretty immediately.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I already did. Those are once again just "excuses".All I see is your bitching and moaning.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hahaha, more delusions. Good, good.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, he lifted Hulk off ground. That's it. Hulk actually forced Thor to his knees.That's far better proof of greater strength than lifting somebody up.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Only in your delusions.Have some brains. I know the thor fanboyism has melted off your brain but come on.
This is idiotic even for you.
Hahaha, more delusions. Good, good.
Originally posted by lawest9
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
When did Superman start increasing his strength "at will?" laughingWhen he removes the mental inhibitors that he put in place to keep his full power in check.
That's not actually increasing his strength, which is no different when Thor uses 30% of his power on Earth. Increasing one's strength would have to involving gains from an outside source. Silver Surfer and Hulk can actually increase their strength.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Still nothing.
Still delusional. Good, good.
Not even going into numbers, that's ignoring an unmistakable statute of warrior madness which is the increase in strength.
No, it isn't. There was no implication of it increasing Thor's strength. It was just berserker rage.
Like wolverine's.
And are you listening to yourself? You are by definition acknowledging the fact that Thor can increase his strength due to your so called "adrenaline boost". And we know that he was clearly operating beyond regular levels during B&T.
Yes, by being literally mad. Thor destroyed that part of his psyche and can never go into thatmode again.
So literally not usable.
Sorry to tell you, but proof says otherwise. He simply upped his level.
Yes, you are sorry because you are just talking nonsense.
There is no such implication.
It can be. It's also dynamic strength.
Nope. This is dynamic strength.
https://vk.com/photo-68118961_335684393
https://vk.com/photo-68118961_335684416
Dynamic strength means that the character's strength literally lowers or goes up depending on their emotional state. Sentry, Gladiator, Wonder Man, Hulk, Rage, Superman, Supergirl are such characters.
Thor isn't.
So nothing? Good.
So still delusional? Good, good.
It was from a double post genius.
Lolz. Excuses, excuses.
Still nothing.
Still delusional.
Your scan is pure statement. My scan with Widow has Thor fainting from using his power along with a statement from Widow that backs it up. Have some common sense.
http://i.imgur.com/MLXNYjW.jpg
Thor himself agreed with Vision. Black Widow saying something doesn't goes over that. Thor fainted due to restoration being temporary. Not being
Semantics. Still clearly below what true Asgardian magic can do.
Nope, never shown or implied.
Lol... Thor was so hopped up on fighting that he would take a reduced state power up and still fight. Again keep ignoring multiple glaring facts.
Leader does not have vast Asgardian power at his disposal.
Thor had bouts of weakness during this so called "restoration".
He was only truly restored in Thor 501 through the involvement of Odin and Yggdrasil. Gtfo.
He was as powerful as before. I'd like to see where he was stated to be weakened.
Your words mean literally nothing seeing how delusional you are.
No. You were outed as being hypocritical yet again. That's a common theme for you here. No amount of ridiculous excuses can change that.
"Waah, waah". Keep crying and spouting bullshit. That's gonna give Thor a new power.
No and no. You tried to pass off scans that happened long after all the beatings he received from Thor as proof that he was supposedly weakened (weak argument btw even had you used it properly) and still able to briefly put Thor down in one of their encounters...
He was weakned. Straight up stated.
Now you don't get to backpeddal on that.
When in fact, those scans have nothing to do with your claim because they no longer met in battle post scans. Gtfo out of here. Who are you fooling? Certainly not me. You got caught again.
So he was weakened long after that fight but not just in that fight?
Bwahaha. Caught in what? You bullshit excuses again? Thor fought and beat BRB in Thor 468. That's what those wounds are for in SS 87. Bill beat the shit out of Thor in SS 86, just after Thor 468.
How could he be weakened in SS 87 but not in SS 86? Are you really this idiotic?
Ok I'll agree on this. Still it doesn't disprove all the examples of it throughout his history. Too many and too often.
Ran out of excuses? There is not a single proof of Thor actually becoming stronger and keep getting stronger with anger.
Not a single proof. I dare you to post one.
The scans speak for themselves. Case closed.
Yes, that Thor doesn't has a dynamic strength factor. I will post till page 100 until you concede so.
Look at the previous pages.
All I see is your excuses.
Amped as in Mbox improving his suit and giving him weapons he never had. As in not standard Superman.
That's not amping.
Good for him.
Bad for Thor though.
Whatever you say.
Yes, because you know I'm right.
Sure he was. Mbox was automatically healing him on the fly specifically on his shoulder due to DD's claw piercing it.
No, it wasn't. The broken arm was never healed and neither was the poison.
Not the point. The point is just because some stories don't highlight his dynamic strength, it doesn't mean he does not possess that ability. Common sense.
For that he need to have that ability. He doesn't.
Probably so, but he had MBox healing him pretty immediately.
Nope.
No.So nothing on moving goalposts? Good.
Still delusional? Good, good.
Lol... Hulk was forcing him down, but did not actually get him to his knees.
Yes, he did.
Thor was able to push Hulk's arms upward and eventually lifted him off the ground with Hulk getting dumbfounded. There really isn't much more needed to understand the scene.
He didn't push anything. He lifted Hulk off the ground in the same position as he wasn't able to force himself up.
superdurConcession accepted.
Thor never had dynamic strength.
Deal with it.
Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
Hulk already defeated a being who was specifically 10× stronger than him. Very specifically to kill him.what makes you think Thor being 20x stronger makes a big difference against WORLD breaker hulk?
Savage Hulk would still win.
Hold on if the being was 10x stronger then him then how did Hulk beat him?
Also Superman doesn't actually amp himself. I see amping as putting you at levels you are not normally capable of. Superman is indeed capable of these things, he just chooses to hold back.
For him to amp himself he'd need to be able to utilize his full power and then go beyond that level. But then you see since he has the whole "I hold back" thing it would be difficult to figure out where his own true power ends and the amping would begin.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Still delusional. Good, good.No, it isn't. There was no implication of it increasing Thor's strength. It was just berserker rage.
Like wolverine's.
http://i.imgur.com/CCDR25j.jpg
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, by being literally mad. Thor destroyed that part of his psyche and can never go into that mode again.So literally not usable.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, you are sorry because you are just talking nonsense.There is no such implication.
Nope. This is dynamic strength.
https://vk.com/photo-68118961_335684393
https://vk.com/photo-68118961_335684416Dynamic strength means that the character's strength literally lowers or goes up depending on their emotional state. Sentry, Gladiator, Wonder Man, Hulk, Rage, Superman, Supergirl are such characters.
Thor isn't.
[QUOTE=15769419]Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]
So still delusional? Good, good.Lolz. Excuses, excuses.
Still delusional.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor himself agreed with Vision. Black Widow saying something doesn't goes over that. Thor fainted due to restoration being temporary. Not being
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope, never shown or implied.He was as powerful as before. I'd like to see where he was stated to be weakened.
Your words mean literally nothing seeing how delusional you are.
Originally posted by abhilegend
"Waah, waah". Keep crying and spouting bullshit. That's gonna give Thor a new power.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He was weakned. Straight up stated.Now you don't get to backpeddal on that.
So he was weakened long after that fight but not just in that fight?
Bwahaha. Caught in what? You bullshit excuses again? Thor fought and beat BRB in Thor 468. That's what those wounds are for in SS 87. Bill beat the shit out of Thor in SS 86, just after Thor 468.
How could he be weakened in SS 87 but not in SS 86? Are you really this idiotic?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nice fan fiction. BRB while weakened beat the shit out of him while that boosted.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Ran out of excuses? There is not a single proof of Thor actually becoming stronger and keep getting stronger with anger.Not a single proof. I dare you to post one.
Yes, that Thor doesn't has a dynamic strength factor. I will post till page 100 until you concede so.
All I see is your excuses.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
For starters here he tries to artificially induce this berserker rage through chants instead of the usual rage taking over.
http://imgur.com/VLePsDY
Unfortunate it doesn't work and attributes the failure due to having restrained himself among mortals for far too long. This alone should let you know that his strength is far from static and can be elevated through the level of rage he is in.From an Avengers guidebook.
"His berserker rages increase his strength as he gets more and more angry".
http://imgur.com/CCDR25jWhen Warlock faces off against an insane and enraged Thor, he recalls his near death past encounter with Thor. An encounter where Thor was in the grip of a version of warrior madness.
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsSilverSurferAdamWarlock01Infi.jpg.htmlThen as the battle rages on, he realizes that it is futile to physically overpower Thor and that he is even more dangerous now than his last encounter with him in a past enraged state.
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsSilverSurferAdamWarlock03.jpg.htmlPhysically overpowers Durok the Demolisher before his killshot who in the past had physically dominated him and the Surfer in the same comic by reaching deep for a strength... never fully realized before!
http://i.imgur.com/GDyb8Ng.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gdgbKt6.jpgWhile fighting Orlog, (Odin in disguise who had given himself 4x Thor's strength to teach him a lesson) Thor finds his own strength and ultimately wins.
http://i.imgur.com/3BgFAIM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fuEXT2V.jpgNot to mention he has been in an hour long strength lock with Savage Hulk who we know only gets stronger and stronger.
Hell he's matched Kurse who supposed to be 4x stronger than him in a strength lock.
Lol...
Oh you mean like how he was subconsciously holding back against Grogg here? He was holding back and didn't even realize it.
http://i.imgur.com/z0v6UTL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1MyHs2i.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DEhjYuq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kftXIYH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tdVs5kO.jpg
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not amping.Bad for Thor though.
Yes, because you know I'm right.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it wasn't. The broken arm was never healed and neither was the poison.Nope.
Originally posted by abhilegend
For that he need to have that ability. He doesn't.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Still delusional? Good, good.Yes, he did.
He didn't push anything. He lifted Hulk off the ground in the same position as he wasn't able to force himself up.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Concession accepted.Thor never had dynamic strength.
Deal with it.
Originally posted by Surtur
Also Superman doesn't actually amp himself. I see amping as putting you at levels you are not normally capable of. Superman is indeed capable of these things, he just chooses to hold back.For him to amp himself he'd need to be able to utilize his full power and then go beyond that level. But then you see since he has the whole "I hold back" thing it would be difficult to figure out where his own true power ends and the amping would begin.
Abby claiming Superman has dynamic strength was done from a delusional state. Removing mental blocks = him wanting to = author's plot device for story telling. Hulk amps, Surfer amps, Thor and Superman hold back, plain and simple.
Originally posted by Surtur
Also Superman doesn't actually amp himself. I see amping as putting you at levels you are not normally capable of. Superman is indeed capable of these things, he just chooses to hold back.For him to amp himself he'd need to be able to utilize his full power and then go beyond that level. But then you see since he has the whole "I hold back" thing it would be difficult to figure out where his own true power ends and the amping would begin.
What hero doesn't hold back though?
