If Superman's Strength is 100

Does it matter, all I was saying is its not a US destroyer. Like I said, dont make a big deal about it.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Does it matter, all I was saying is its not a US destroyer. Like I said, dont make a big deal about it.

Dude, it's a destroyer. The gun emplacement is how it is placed on destroyers. It is not a freighter.

And it matters because it is not something that weighs around 30k tons, it is 10, maybe even less.

We dont know how heavy it was could be 10k tons, could be 29k tons.

Point really is there is nothing he cannot do and this feat puts him hundreds of times ahead of Thor and Hulk.

This gun emplacement is probably the closest approximation to the photo.

Or maybe this:

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
We dont know how heavy it was could be 10k tons, could be 29k tons.

Point really is there is nothing he cannot do and this feat puts him hundreds of times ahead of Thor and Hulk.

I disagree, it's definitely 10k tops. At least (for me anyway) there is far more evidence saying that it is 10k (or even less) than it is 29k.

And like I said, ice-to-steel friction coefficient (0.03) kinda tones the "feat" down a bit.

The hull is different between your original pic and the one in the movie. Don't you think?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
I disagree, it's definitely 10k tops. At least (for me anyway) there is far more evidence saying that it is 10k (or even less) than it is 29k.

And like I said, ice-to-steel friction coefficient (0.03) kinda tones the "feat" down a bit.

Not really, the ice was gathering in front of the ship and causing more friction and weight to pull

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Not really, the ice was gathering in front of the ship and causing more friction and weight to pull

Which would be a separate factor in relation to the friction itself, yes. I agree. But having to push aside the ice would be a drop in the bucket compared to the force needed to be generated to pull said ship.

That is why I wanted the physicists in here. The math is too complex to simply going "friction coefficient vs displacement of ship". So it might well be beyond me. There are still other factors needed to be considered.

What it is NOT and what would be completely wrong is simply applying the full 10k tonnage of the ship as the primary weight Superman is pulling.

We have one physicist here and he is to busy taking pictures of himself in the mirror.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
The hull is different between your original pic and the one in the movie. Don't you think?

I dunno. Frontal profile of the hull doesn't seem too distinct to me.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
We have one physicist here and he is to busy taking pictures of himself in the mirror.

Dammit. 😛 tell im to get to work.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Which would be a separate factor in relation to the friction itself, yes. I agree. But having to push aside the ice would be a drop in the bucket compared to the force needed to be generated to pull said ship.

That is why I wanted the physicists in here. The math is too complex to simply going "friction coefficient vs displacement of ship". So it might well be beyond me. There are still other factors needed to be considered.

What it is NOT and what would be completely wrong is simply applying the full 10k tonnage of the ship as the primary weight Superman is pulling.

It's not. There is more to it. The friction of the water beneath the surface for one, the force required to break the ice from ahead of the ship would also be astronomical, and quite frankly physically impossible, as even a huge ass chain like that would snap under that much pressure.

The front shot of that hull is a like a Triangle that ship is made to go very fast.

The one in the movie is bowed out and looks like a slow moving frigate.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
And like I said, ice-to-steel friction coefficient (0.03) kinda tones the "feat" down a bit.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
The front shot of that hull is a like a Triangle that ship is made to go very fast.

The one in the movie is bowed out and looks like a slow moving frigate.

I dunno, that could be because the artist not getting the exact shape right. Or it could be the image of an older destroyer that I haven't found yet.

I mean check out the frontal top profile for this destroyer. Looks very rounded to me. Not the same destroyer, tho.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Doesn't that suggest it's sliding over the ice? Because its definitely not. It's breaking through it

Agreed, it was def breaking through the ice as seen in the movie.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
It's not. There is more to it. The friction of the water beneath the surface for one, the force required to break the ice from ahead of the ship would also be astronomical, and quite frankly physically impossible, as even a huge ass chain like that would snap under that much pressure.

That is assuming the ice is breaking. From the movie, IIRC, the ice was holding the weight of the ship and not breaking. What you see is just surface breakage (probably from dragging the ship). Tho I might be mistaken.

Also, I agree on the chain. But then again, that would ALSO mean the force needed to move the ship < strength of the chain.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
We dont know how heavy it was could be 10k tons, could be 29k tons.

Point really is there is nothing he cannot do and this feat puts him hundreds of times ahead of Thor and Hulk.

Problem here is we're making estimates on how heavy the ship might have been, but no one has a clue how heavy the Leviathian is. Any fact file on that or something?

Although I would point out that Superman's strength effort was continuous whereas Hulk's was a few seconds.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Problem here is we're making estimates on how heavy the ship might have been, but no one has a clue how heavy the Leviathian is. Any fact file on that or something?

Although I would point out that Superman's strength effort was continuous whereas Hulk's was a few seconds.

I saw some guy online pegging it at around 500-600 tons and the total force needed to stop its momentum around 3k tons. It's in the web somewhere but I'm too brain fried from work to do the effort so I'll leave it to you guys.