If Superman's Strength is 100

Originally posted by Nibedicus
I saw some guy online pegging it at around 500-600 tons and the total force needed to stop its momentum around 3k tons. It's in the web somewhere but I'm too brain fried from work to do the effort so I'll leave it to you guys.

I'll take your word for it Lol.

But going by those figures, and the pessimistic stance on the figures you and TI were discussing for Supes feat, Supes feat is still the greater of the 2.

Too bad the MCU still hasn't confirmed that Hulk can get stronger as he gets madder with no cap/limit.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I'll take your word for it Lol.

But going by those figures, and the pessimistic stance on the figures you and TI were discussing for Supes feat, Supes feat is still the greater of the 2.

Too bad the MCU still hasn't confirmed that Hulk can get stronger as he gets madder with no cap/limit.

Depends on how you see it, I guess.

I actually see the 2 as comparable.

Factoring in that the ship (with a displacement of around 10k tons, likely less) is being dragged over ice and not being lifted.

That is why I put Hulk at 90-100 post-BvS. Ragnarok could change all that, however.

Originally posted by Nibedicus

[QUOTE=15753174]Originally posted by Nibedicus
[B]Factoring in that the ship (with a displacement of around 10k tons, likely less) is being dragged over ice and not being lifted.

Ah but dragging actually shows he was putting that amount of strength/force in for a much longer continuous period.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
That is why I put Hulk at 90-100 post-BvS. Ragnarok could change all that, however.

I hope so.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Ah but dragging actually shows he was putting that amount of strength/force in for a much longer continuous period.

I hope so.

But I also see the "feat" as something that would be sub-1000s or just a little over due to ice-to-steel (0.03) having such a low friction coefficient, factoring in the drag from the breaking surface ice, of course. It's just a guess, however. So anyone's guess is as good as mine at this point. The continuous period is more indicative of stamina than strength but DOES prove that this is not his max exertion meaning he can still go higher IMO.

All that considered, I would put those 2 "feats" as comparable but leaning towards the BvS as being slightly better.

Only thing I'm hoping for is for Thor 3 to be even just almost as good as CW (as Thor is the only superhero character my wife would actually enjoy watching. Dunno if it's the abs or the fact that it is quasi-fantasy, w/c she is a HUGE fan of.). /crossfingers

Thor and Hulk are going to let loose.

Originally posted by Nibedicus

Only thing I'm hoping for is for Thor 3 to be even just almost as good as CW (as Thor is the only superhero character my wife would actually enjoy watching. Dunno if it's the abs or the fact that it is quasi-fantasy, w/c she is a HUGE fan of.). /crossfingers

Yes I'm also craving an Epic Thor film. I thought Thor1 was such a great first movie, but TDW was a massive step down IMO.

I remember the girl I was seeing when Thor1 came out really liked it. And she wasn't into Iron Man or Incredible Hulk at all. So yeah I think it's that fantasy element to it.

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
Where are these guys

Thor
Hulk
Vision
Wonder Woman
Foara
Nam Ek
Kurse
Doomsday
Ultron
General Zod

Thor: 20
Hulk: 25
Vision: idk
Wonder Woman: idk
Faora: 50
Nam-Ek: 110
Kurse: 35
Doomsday: 200+
Ultron: 20
Zod: 80

A little generous to the Marvel characters tbh. Were I to be realistic I would have to give them decimals to compare their strength, rather than whole numbers.

Thor and Hulk should shine in the next film now that they won't have to worry about making the rest of the Avengers look bad.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Problem here is we're making estimates on how heavy the ship might have been, but no one has a clue how heavy the Leviathian is. Any fact file on that or something?

Although I would point out that Superman's strength effort was continuous whereas Hulk's was a few seconds.

The reality is this, the Leviathan was the more impressive feats hands down. It was a combat feat against an object moving forward trying to destroy stuff. Not pulling some object that isn't moving nor resisting nor was it trying to destroy anything.

Further, I could easily argue Hulk wasn't even totally changed yet. He literally just changed a second before. Even still, we know Hulk gets stronger. I reject any notion that he doesn't. The excuse of it is said, holds no water for me. Absence of proof isn't proof. Hulk getting stronger is a much a part of him as a character as Superman being from Krypton. It's something so intricately woven into his character there is no separating him from it. Just because he wasn't shown getting bigger like Mr. Lee's version means noting. In comics he hasn't always gotten bigger and bigger and bigger as he gets angrier. Some have, some haven't. What is unquestioned is, that he does. Period end of story. He literally just changed during the leviathan feat... which makes is vastly more impressive.

Couple things, KT.

Combat feat or not, we're talking physical strength. Be it lifting, pushing, stopping etc.

Hulk was fully changed at the time of the punch and yes, the Hulk does get stronger the madder he gets, we saw it in TIH 2008 and that's the same Hulk. So we have actual screen evidence.

By Avengers, Banner (now played by Ruffalo since Norton whined) has learned to control his transformation by apparently always being angry.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Thor: 20
Hulk: 25
Vision: idk
Wonder Woman: idk
Faora: 50
Nam-Ek: 110
Kurse: 35
Doomsday: 200+
Ultron: 20
Zod: 80

A little generous to the Marvel characters tbh. Were I to be realistic I would have to give them decimals to compare their strength, rather than whole numbers.

I think Thor should be 30, and Hulk 35. Other than that 👆

I really wish the MCU would just say that Hulk gets stronger the madder he gets. I don't see why it's so difficult to point that out, when Hulk's been in 3 MCU movies so far, and your average Joe will have no clue that the Hulk can keep getting stronger and stronger..

Btw KT, the Ang Lee Hulk didn't just portray him getting stronger through his size increasing. They flat out said it in that film. And it showed (plus stated) Hulk has an instantaneous healing ability. The MCU hasn't shown that either.

^Agreed

Yea he did get bigger the madder he got.

However in terms of strength and feats Avengers Hulk dwarfs him by far.

Ang Lee's one could also leap the way comic book Hulk leaps. As in insanely high, where you can't even tell if he's jumping or flying.

kind of like zod and crew, but much higher

Originally posted by Robtard
Couple things, KT.

Combat feat or not, we're talking physical strength. Be it lifting, pushing, stopping etc.

Hulk was fully changed at the time of the punch and yes, the Hulk does get stronger the madder he gets, we saw it in TIH 2008 and that's the same Hulk. So we have actual screen evidence.

By Avengers, Banner (now played by Ruffalo since Norton whined) has learned to control his transformation by apparently always being angry.

I agree to an extent bud, yes lifting weight is lifting weight. If Superman listed an object than weighed x amount, well, he lifted object that weighed x amount. Difference is, and similar to real life. Is it easier to move a fighter who is just standing there and not trying to resist you or move a fighter trying to not to be moved. One is a combat feat with something actively looking to destroy stuff and actively looking to stay alive. The other was done against an inanimate object not moving, not resisting, not trying to destroy anything nor stay alive. So while I understand what you're saying though, but extra consideration needs to be given to the actual combat feat, there can be no other way.

Which again, since he does get angrier as he gets stronger, that further means, Hulk was able to do that at his most docile yet angry state. Obviously he could get angrier and stronger, which for me at least, means he has whole other levels to get to imo.

I'm curious, not remembering I guess, which scene depicts him getting stronger as he got angrier? The sound waves feat and him overcoming it?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Ang Lee's one could also leap the way comic book Hulk leaps. As in insanely high, where you can't even tell if he's jumping or flying.

Yeah in comics he's been shown jumping from continent to continent in one leap with ease. Basically jumping all over the world easily. Ang Lee's tried to do that as well. Norton was more off screen stuff. They never really show him jump that far or high, but they do show him ending up in other countries far far away from where he started.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Thor: 20
Hulk: 25
Vision: idk
Wonder Woman: idk
Faora: 50
Nam-Ek: 110
Kurse: 35
Doomsday: 200+
Ultron: 20
Zod: 80

A little generous to the Marvel characters tbh. Were I to be realistic I would have to give them decimals to compare their strength, rather than whole numbers.

I think the Marvel wanking skewed peoples judgment. This is better.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

I'm curious, not remembering I guess, which scene depicts him getting stronger as he got angrier? The sound waves feat and him overcoming it?

Nothing definite unfortunately. Because it happens a lot in movies where the good guy gets pissed off and fights better.

Heck Spider-Man seemed to gain strength when the Green Goblin had completely battered him but pissed him off over killing MJ "nice and slow."

But no one watches that thinking Spidey gets stronger as he gets madder. We only come to that conclusion so easily with MCU Hulk because we know that's what Hulk is supposed to do. But they really need to flat out say it.

@Arach

I have always wondered how a few powered and charged hammer strikes of Thor has in people's minds, outweighed the over all strength, speed and versatility of a kryptonian.