Originally posted by Nephthys
Well he was holding a ship together, presumably through hyperspace and he did lift it (and maybe others) off a planet. He's probably got some sick shields.
If he can't survive attacks from Visas Marr or The Exile then he's got a snowball's chance in hell of blocking Exar Kun's disintegrating blasts.
Originally posted by AncientPower
If he can't survive attacks from Visas Marr or The Exile then he's got a snowball's chance in hell of blocking Exar Kun's disintegrating blasts.
But Ancient, Nihilus was weakened in the fight. 😉 Because apparently, 2 seconds of trying to drain Suirk, suddenly depletes all that supposed power of his. Which if he in fact was that weakened, he somehow still has enough power to hold his ship together still and duel, yet he can't survive attacks from Marr or the Exile.
So...then him trying to drain Suirk then apparently didn't do much at all.
Well, Tobin did say he "tore the ship from Malachor, along with his fleet" or something along those lines. If we are to take his word for it, Nihilus not only is indeed holding the ship together [and it would've fallen apart minutes after his death, had Surik and Mandalore not destroyed it], but he also pretty much TK'd his fleet out of Malachor.
That speaks volumes to Nihilus's raw power and TK. His drain is also ridiculously powerful, though the OP says he can't use it against Kun.
Thing with Nihilus is, we've only seen him duel once, against Surik and Visas. He was weakened, still managed to hold his ship together and both Surik and Visas were almost overpowered still. That speaks volumes to his skill or talent as a duelist.
Guy was a beast, but Kun also was known for excelling in single combat and was pretty much head over heels above anyone of his era.
I frankly don't know what to make of this fight.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Well he was holding a ship together, presumably through hyperspace and he did lift it (and maybe others) off a planet. He's probably got some sick shields.
Both are showings he's performed while amped (which, of course, doesn't discredit them entirely, but it's to the detriment of those showings). Kun being canonically more powerful than Ragnos, who is canonically more powerful than the likes of Muur and seemingly Sadow & Nadd, should put him above Nihilus, especially since Nihilus is implied to be below the ancients.
Sure, Avellone has his head stuck up the ancients' ass, but clearly KotOR II is a medium that exaggerates Force powers in a similar way to TOR and OCW - it's not like Nihilus is exempt from it. Again, we obviously don't discredit his showings entirely on that basis, but it's worth taking into account when we start hyping those characters. Nihilus obviously still belongs in the upper echelons of the Sith hierarchy, but I'd put Kun above him.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
If he were holding his ship together why doesn't it fall apart when he dies?
The only explanation for it is that it's a gaping plot hole, but it is a strong argument against supporters of the Nihilus TK feat.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Not sure if serious......
Not sure if you're serious about Nihilus having any Force defense feats comparable at all to blocking blasts that disintegrate thousands and rip Sith Wyrms to pieces.
Even taking into account that Nihilus was weakened when facing the Exile, the fact she pretty much wrecked him as sourcebooks suggest, still puts him far below the margin for dealing with that kind of destructive potency.
Disintegrate thousands? I think you might have gone a bit loopy. That never happens and is an utterly insane thing to claim, even for you. 😬
Nihilus was starved, weakened and then further weakened. Since he goes from easily stunning the Exile, Visas and Mandalore to losing them, he was obviously weakened by a considerable amount. It's idiotic to try to use that as in any way representing his full capabilities. It's also stupid to try to measure someones force barriers just by them losing a duel. If the Exile just beat him in sabers it's irrelevant.
In the Temple of Fire, a crowd of thousands of Massassi are seen on a stand surrounding the sacrificial chamber, after his numerous Force blasts the Massassi are almost completely wiped out and the stands charred completely black with fire blazing in them. The Massassi surrounding him got disintegrated by his blasts, the thousands in the stands are nothing but black scorch marks.
Visas cut off Nihilus' connection to the amplification the Ravager afforded him and then he fed off of Meetra Surik which weakened him further, then Meetra overwhelmed him.
You're claiming his Force defense can tank an attack as potent as Exar Kun's blast yet have no basis bar speculation.
Gosh, maybe because they..... ran away???? Nah, impossibru.
Visas and Mandalore were also there but yes that it basically what happened. Its not as if she ragdolled him, he lost a fight against 3 people in close quarters while immensely weakened. Terrible showing, I know.
My basis is his un-weakened feats, which you haven't even attempted to refute because you can't.
Originally posted by AncientPowerVisas cut off Nihilus' connection to the amplification the Ravager afforded him and then he fed off of Meetra Surik which weakened him further, then Meetra overwhelmed him.
That's a lot of weakness, yet still able to hold his ship together and fight. Hmm...seems silly that he was still defeated if he still had that much power.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Gosh, maybe because they..... ran away???? Nah, impossibru.Visas and Mandalore were also there but yes that it basically what happened. Its not as if she ragdolled him, he lost a fight against 3 people in close quarters while immensely weakened. Terrible showing, I know.
My basis is his un-weakened feats, which you haven't even attempted to refute because you can't.
Ran away... yeh because the text doesn't say they are trapped in a trance to summon the Sith Wyrm in the first place, and they totally aren't literally burning to death on the page. Nah, they ran away, thousands of them, whilst the entire stand is a blackened, charred, burning broken wreck.
#NephLogic
I mean it'd be bad enough if I hadn't already posted scans, this is just outright denial.
Weakened is the only state we've ever seen him in, besides that his drain can ravage worlds and his amped powers allow him constant telekinetic maintenance over his fleet.
So let me guess, Jadus telekinetically held together a wrecked Dreadnought, but when he lost to Cipher Nine it isn't relevant at all?
Nihilus tk'ing a fleet whilst amped by the core of a Centurion-class Battlecruiser doesn't mean he's suddenly tanking powers he has never faced the magnitude of before.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Ran away... yeh because the text doesn't say they are trapped in a trance to summon the Sith Wyrm in the first place, and they totally aren't literally burning to death on the page. Nah, they ran away, thousands of them, whilst the entire stand is a blackened, charred, burning broken wreck.#NephLogic
I mean it'd be bad enough if I hadn't already posted scans, this is just outright denial.
Weakened is the only state we've ever seen him in, besides that his drain can ravage worlds and his amped powers allow him constant telekinetic maintenance over his fleet.
So let me guess, Jadus telekinetically held together a wrecked Dreadnought, but when he lost to Cipher Nine it isn't relevant at all?
Nihilus tk'ing a fleet whilst amped by the core of a Centurion-class Battlecruiser doesn't mean he's suddenly tanking powers he has never faced the magnitude of before.
And yet conveniently you seem to have missed out a page:
Which shows the ritual ceasing and the massassi with their backs to the wyrm, evidently fleeing. Also, literally burning to death on the page? What utter lies, you can't see a damn thing, the stands are completely black. That's not blackened by ash, its just drawn indistinctly and in shadow, you tool. Regardless, Kun certainly didn't "disintegrate thousands" if all he did was fire off some shots that started fires that burned them to death. Which isn't even what happened.
Oh so lets just always use him as weakened. That are make sense. His feats before his prime when he wasn't weakened suggest that he's more than capable of blocking a few shots from Kun. We can obviously use those feats as representative of his abilities far better than when he was vastly weakened.
He didn't lose to Cipher Nine.
I'm not even going to bother with that utter horseshit about the ships core. But yes, it absolutely means that since the power needed to levitate that fleet outstrip Kuns output by several dozen magnitudes.
Did you care to even notice the giant plumes of flame in the background? Or the large holes in the aftermath, when Kun returns to find the Corsair and Sadow's storehouse?
The entire stand is billowing with flame, how the hell is the stand covered in shadow if it is on fire? Basic logic Neph.
How exactly are thousands of Massassi leaving in the minute or so he was projecting his blast? The flames are logically lighting up the stands which have been charred black and the only Massassi remaining are a dozen in the pit with him. It literally says in text that he was killing more and more of them with each blast. Everything he hit with his blast was obliterated, including chunks of the Temple.
A massed swarm of Massassi aren't running out of that temple faster than Kun's blasts are setting the stands on fire.
You're acting as if this is somehow a massive bogus claim when we literally see him disintegrating everything his blasts touch, be it temple wall, Massassi, or a massive piece of the Sith wyrm.