Exar Kun vs. Darth Nihilus

Started by AncientPower5 pages

It is a bogus claim. We don't really see Kun disintegrate anyone. The Massassi are consumed by his blasts, but no confirmation of disintegration I believe. In fact pretty sure you can see some bodies, lol.

...This is just another of your insane claims that make no sense.

"If you're wasting my time I'll use my amulet to burn you to ashes!"
- Exar Kun, Tales of the Jedi - Dark Lords of the Sith Audiobook CD #2

>"Insane claims"
>"no sense"

Educate yourself.

Lol Slice, Exar Kun > all Ancient Sith, has been a thing for a decade.

If Nihilus is indeed only on the level of the Ancient Sith, then Exar Kun is his superior too.

Originally posted by The Merchant
I wasn't referencing any ship bombings from TOTJ. I was referencing when Daala bombed the Yavin temples with her Super Star Destroyer, the blasts were being seen from orbit but when they hit the Masassi temples all they did was leave scorched marks.
As I recall this is actually bogus.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Lol Slice, Exar Kun > all Ancient Sith, has been a thing for a decade.

If Nihilus is indeed only on the level of the Ancient Sith, then Exar Kun is his superior too.


Exar Kun>Vitiate 👆

That's terrible tbh.

You said it, not me. Either way, Kreia said his proficiency with Drain was approaching the ancients. Didn't speak on anything else.

The comparison isn't there though, Exar Kun being the most powerful of the Ancient Sith still makes him superior to Nihilus if that is true. Vitiate has retconned that statement though.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
As I recall this is actually bogus.
Yeah looking at the source again it says the temple was "blackened by air strikes", not orbital bombardment (there were fighters, bombers etc. present in the assault), which would realistically have blown the Temple to smithereens.

Originally posted by AncientPower
The comparison isn't there though, Exar Kun being the most powerful of the Ancient Sith still makes him superior to Nihilus if that is true. Vitiate has retconned that statement though.

Except his power is not brought up once....

Avellone states Nihilus as a whole is only approaching ancient Sith level.

Exar Kun, once again, is not an ancient Sith when compared to Nihilus, and Kun obviously isn't above all ancient Sith regardless.

EDIT: Either way, where was this said?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Exar Kun, once again, is not an ancient Sith when compared to Nihilus.

He is still more powerful than any of the Ancient Sith, so not being one himself is entirely irrelevant. Kun > Ancient Sith > Nihilus, especially when - like in this thread - Nihilus' drain is excluded.

Which is definitely not true, which I edited in to say, so that really doesn't matter. Exar Kun is above every ancient Sith. Not that making blanket statements nets you wins in the vs forum anyway.

Just like how Sidious is the greatest master of evil ever to use sith power. mmm

Originally posted by AncientPower
Avellone states

Who cares. Avellone had a lot of ideas for the Ancient Sith that weren't even nearly implemented. Their power level is demonstrably way lower than he envisioned, and Nihilus has almost objectively superior feats to all of them.

Naga Sadow causing solar flares is what I'd call comparable:

If one accepted the tales handed down in accounts and holocrons, the_ancient_Sith had known how to accomplish this. But had Sith like Naga Sadow and Exar Kun genuinely been more powerful, or had they benefited from the fact that the dark side had been more prominent in those bygone eras? Some commentators claimed that the ability to survive death had been limited to those with a talent for sorcery and_alchemy, and that the use of such practices actually predated the arrival of the Dark Jedi_exiles on Korriban. But sorcery had been employed less to extend life than to create illusions,_fashion_beasts, and resurrect the dead. Powerful adepts were said to have been able to saturate the atmosphere of planets with dark side energy, compel stars to explode, or induce paralysis in crowds, as Exar Kun apparently did to select members of the Republic Senate.
-Darth Plagueis

Given even Darth Plagueis wonders why the ancient Sith like Exar Kun and Naga Sadow had been so powerful as to accomplish their feats, clearly we deal with extremely potent beings.

Your preconceptions of ancient Sith power levels aren't really relevant here.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Who cares. Avellone had a lot of ideas for the Ancient Sith that weren't even nearly implemented. Their power level is demonstrably way lower than he envisioned, and Nihilus has almost objectively superior feats to all of them.

👆

Originally posted by AncientPower
Naga Sadow causing solar flares is what I'd call comparable:

Given even Darth Plagueis wonders why the ancient Sith like Exar Kun and Naga Sadow had been so powerful as to accomplish their feats, clearly we deal with extremely potent beings.

Your preconceptions of ancient Sith power levels aren't really relevant here.


And they're all weaker than Plagueis, lel.

[i]Originally posted by
Exar Kun, once again, is not an ancient Sith when compared to Nihilus, anD Kun obviously isn't above all ancient Sith regardless.
Kun, Exar Once the most powerful and dangerous of the Dark Lords of the Sith.
- The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
The most powerful and dangerous of all Sith Lords, Exar Kun was once the apprentice of the Jedi Master Vodo Siosk-Baas.
- The Official Star Wars Fact File 1

NOTE: The above quote was obviously retconned and Kun was bumped down by Sidious and later Vitiate. In the context of the issue, he is more powerful than the other Sith featured in the file, including Darth Maul, Freedon Nadd, Ulic Qel-Droma and Naga Sadow.

As far as Exar Kun compared to other ancient Sith Lords via accolades goes:

Eventually, the apprentice(Freedon Nadd) became far more powerful than the teacher(Naga Sadow)...
-The Official Star Wars Fact File
"As Nadd's power grew over more than 100 years of rule..."
―The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
"I feel a disturbance in the Force, I sense a great power has fallen(Freedon Nadd) and another has risen in its place(Exar Kun)."
- Vodo Siosk-Baas, Tales of the Jedi - Dark Lords of the Sith Audiobook CD #2
Exar Kun’s power grew. He ordered the Massassi to build immense temples and to seek out Naga Sadow’s lost battleship.
- Star Wars: The Old Republic - Galactic History 55 - Ascension of Exar Kun
Odan Urr goes to the Force and the darkest power in the galaxy walks away with something that will make him even stronger.
- Tales of the Jedi Omnibus Volume #2

An extremely powerful figure now, Kun dabbled in dark side alchemy, creating freakish two-headed avians and hulking Terentateks that thirsted after Force-rich blood. He invented a glowing golden sphere that trapped the children of the Massassi and allowed him to feed off their energies.

Exar Kun had also constructed a Sith superweapon, the Dark Reaper, that was capable of drawing in the life energies of thousands of combatants. Ulic unleashed the Dark Reaper against hundreds of Republic troops on the outpost of Raxus Prime.
- The New Essential Chronology

So not only does Freedon Nadd become far more powerful than the suspended Naga Sadow, his power grows even further over the next century. Then Exar Kun destroys his spirit, replacing him as a great power in the galaxy and Kun himself experiences three confirmed increases in power.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
And they're all weaker than Plagueis, lel.

According to the backcover from a publishing company, sure.