U just contradicted yourself there mate
He's in water and ice everywhere but not water everywhere is basically what u said, water vapour is still water after all
Even if he's not in the flash he's all around him and all Bobby needs is one thought to win and flash can't stop him before he does that, in fact the flash can't stop him full stop.
Originally posted by h1a8He has already been inside the water of a person in comics though...
In the scan it says he can be in the snow and ice and water everywhere on the Earth. It doesn't say he can be in vapor EVERYWHERE. Also it doesn't say he can be inside living things. This is a pure stretch to believe so. Flash wins with ease as he can destroy his consciousness or mute him inside the battlefield.
Originally posted by Mindsetyes because he TRANSFERRED his consciousness there. He wasn't in them before he transferred himself there.
He has already been inside the water of a person in comics though...
He has to transfer his consciousness inside flash after the bell rings.
This is not possible since
1. He won't get a chance
2. Flash is too fast to pinpoint where to transfer to. (Assuming flash gives him time to operate)
Originally posted by hutchy1345
U just contradicted yourself there mate
He's in water and ice everywhere but not water everywhere is basically what u said, water vapour is still water after all
Even if he's not in the flash he's all around him and all Bobby needs is one thought to win and flash can't stop him before he does that, in fact the flash can't stop him full stop.
This is what my post says.
Originally posted by h1a8
In the scan it says he can be in the snow and ice and water everywhere on the Earth. It doesn't say he can be in vapor EVERYWHERE. Also it doesn't say he can be inside living things. This is a pure stretch to believe so. Flash wins with ease as he can destroy his consciousness or mute him inside the battlefield.
So I'm basically arguing vapor (gas) and living things.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Because i want a goos story. Idc how fast flash can run, idc how strong hulk is...what matters is that there is a compelling plot. If i have a character who is unbeatable then there isnt a story to tell. He's not relatable.
But yet in the other thread you mentioned how you hate when Black Panther beats bricks or whatever. So it seems you do care to an extent.
The thing is, we aren't telling a story here though, are we? So there is no reason to hold back for the plot.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Bottom line, Flash can't kill him, Iceman could potentially kill Flash.
There are some versions, like Wally, where he has no chance at all. Speed steal negates anything Iceman could do. Then Wally runs back in time and slaps Iceman's mother in the face at the moment of his birth.
He doesnt transfer his consciousness inside the person to my knowledge. Its existing in the area. Because he has that connection to all moisture, he takes that moisture from within the person and manipulates it. Thus, if theres moisture in a person(which there is), hes automatically connected to it. Much like in the X-men movies where Magneto was able to sense the metal in the guards blood.
Thats pretty much whats mentioned in one of the scans. Hes automatically connected to all moisture everywhere.
Originally posted by jrodslam
He doesnt transfer his consciousness inside the person to my knowledge.
You have no idea what rape techniques Mindset has taught him since Bendis revealed Bobby was maximum gay.
You can rape 10 men at the same time. I'll teach you how to rape a thousand.
- from "Rapeman Begins"
Originally posted by jrodslamThat's what I'm saying. He can manipulate moisture in someone but for him to actually be in someone (his consciousness and spirit) then he has to transfer it there someway.
He doesnt transfer his consciousness inside the person to my knowledge. Its existing in the area. Because he has that connection to all moisture, he takes that moisture from within the person and manipulates it. Thus, if theres moisture in a person(which there is), hes automatically connected to it. Much like in the X-men movies where Magneto was able to sense the metal in the guards blood.Thats pretty much whats mentioned in one of the scans. Hes automatically connected to all moisture everywhere.
His power is planet wide omnipresent but his consciousness (spirit) can only be at one place. He can see through and operate all water and on the planet but only from where his consciousness is located at the moment. Like I'm connected to my arms and legs but my conscience is in my brain. Water over the planet he's connected to but his consciousness is in only one place. Destroy his consciousness where it is then you destroy him permanently.
Originally posted by TheHulkIt doesn't have to be disproved but proved.
Honestly, this argument about Bobby's ability to consciousnessly in every moisture or water vapor in the air can go either way. So far as i seen, nothing can prove or disapprove it.
Actually it can be disproved. If you read the entire comic then you would see that Bobby never operated that way. He always operated as if his consciousness was in one place. Look at his fight against Thor. His ice clones didn't have consciousness at all (per mind read).
At best Bobby was able to teleport (transfer his consciousness) where he wanted to be and be able to affect planet wide distances. He was able to affect all water like Magneto and metal (but on a grander scale)
Originally posted by TheHulk
Honestly, this argument about Bobby's ability to consciousnessly in every moisture or water vapor in the air can go either way. So far as i seen, nothing can prove or disapprove it.
Hes stated it on panel that he was all over the world. In another instance he stated "I can sense moisture in the air. Feel the water".
Originally posted by Surtur
But yet in the other thread you mentioned how you hate when Black Panther beats bricks or whatever. So it seems you do care to an extent.The thing is, we aren't telling a story here though, are we? So there is no reason to hold back for the plot.
What are you asking me exactly? I dont like characters jobbing but i also would like them to go by their portrayals. So Bruce outsmarting superman is fine but him "beating' him physically is bad writing. Same with Namor/BP etc...
The problem with the way you debate is exactly y phrases like "forum flash" and "full powered omega iceman" exist. We are no longer debating characters we are debating powersets. So if u want to do that change the thread title to speedster vs ice elemental. And throw characterization out the window
Originally posted by jrodslamHe stated that he was in all water all over the world. We know this is figurative talk and he meant that he can sense through, travel to, and manipulate all water all over the world from where he stands.
Hes stated it on panel that he was all over the world. In another instance he stated "I can sense moisture in the air. Feel the water".
Originally posted by hutchy1345
That's fine
But how does flash win
You can't kill his consciousness if he can't pinpoint it
I believe that if you transmute his body (turn it to hydrogen atoms) then he will die and ceast to exist (just like anyone).