Originally posted by Azronger
Krayt wins this. I don't think Vitiate could've beaten Revan without his nexus (yup, I said it). And Krayt is in Revan's level.
Revan was not disadvantaged on Dromund Kaas. He was an exception to the rule. He could draw strength from the Dark Side.
Literature goes as far as to credit Revan's ability to utilize Jedi and Sith abilities in conjunction to give Vitiate that much fight.
Originally posted by SunRazer
It took 10 days with the assistance of eight thousand Sith Lords to wipe out Nathema. And Vitiate was attempting an infinitely bigger ritual in SWTOR. No matter how much more powerful he became, the fact that he was spending centuries of prep time and the fact that he required billions to die in order to initiate the ritual make complete sense.
How would he have time for creating civilizations and other activities if he would be preparing for that ritual throughout that time? Doesn't makes sense, right?
The 'centuries' part implies that Vitiate needed that much time to prepare his Empire for the war against the Republic and this war would provide him ample sacrifices to fuel his ultimate ritual and ensure its success, should he attempt it.
It is during the Act 3 of Jedi Knight's story arc that Vitiate commences his ultimate ritual.
Originally posted by SunRazer
The fact that it wasn't an intricate ritual doesn't preclude it from being a ritual all the same 👆
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/cataclysm-of-planet-ziost-1672770/
Sorry to disappoint you.
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Invasion_of_ZiostAnd that's if we ignore that the properties during and after the ritual were exactly the same as nathema. That's that.
I have some history of contributions in the Wookieepedia and I know from personal experience how some well-established members dominate the editing scene there. It seems like as if they have an agenda.
You should read my blog about it.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Revan *was* hindered on Dromund Kaas, but he *was* also inferior to Vitiate regardless of setting.
The fact he can call upon the dark side doesn't change the fact that Revan Reborn's a predominately light-side character with an emphasis of Jedi beliefs and practices.
Similarly Revan from Shadow of Revan is mainly a dark-side character, but can still use the light-side and his Force in Balance technique.
The text made specific note of how Revan's farsight abilities were clouded due to the dark side nexus. I don't see why his other abilities wouldn't have been too.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The fact he can call upon the dark side doesn't change the fact that Revan Reborn's a predominately light-side character with an emphasis of Jedi beliefs and practices.Similarly Revan from Shadow of Revan is mainly a dark-side character, but can still use the light-side and his Force in Balance technique.
The text made specific note of how Revan's farsight abilities were clouded due to the dark side nexus. I don't see why his other abilities wouldn't have been too.
Revelation 1:
Three centuries ago, Revan wielded the dual philosophies of Sith passion and Jedi tranquility to conquer his enemies; he even nearly assassinated the Sith Emperor.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic Encyclopedia
Revelation 2:
He had learned to balance on the knife-edge between them, drawing on both the light and dark sides for strength.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
The aforementioned revelations are self-explanatory.
Why do you think that the novel goes to great lengths to promote Revan as superior to any other Force-user with the exception of the Emperor? What makes Revan such a stand-out?
Revan is even stated to be 'far more powerful' during his Reborn phase than he used to be during the era of Mandalorian Wars. I don't think this implies significant growth in raw power because Revan was already confirmed to be the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy back then. To me, this implies significant advancement in his understanding of the ways of the Force.
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Drugs hindered Revan's farsight abilities, if I am not wrong.
His mind felt slow and dull, and he knew he’d been drugged. It was difficult to concentrate; impossible to focus his thoughts enough to use the
Force. It took all his willpower just to recall the last moments of the Ebon Hawk crashing on Nathema.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
Uh, yes he was.
Your "revelations" demonstrate his ability to call upon both sides of the Force, but that doesn't mean he's in a state of perfect balance.
The Council revoked Revan's right because he argued that Jedi can get strength from their love, not because he was half consumed by the dark side.
Bastila Shan even made note that there was no "spark of the dark side" within Revan, since she feared him seeing his mask again would rekindle that.
But to press the point home:
“Nyriss blinds herself to that truth. That is the way of the dark side,” Revan said. “Those who follow it are driven by fear and ambition. They are too selfish to see that great victories often require sacrifice.”
Scourge grimaced. Sometimes he grew tired of Revan’s preaching against the dark side.
So yeah, that's a predominantly light-side character. Which is obvious, since Revan's a Jedi.
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And nah:
There was another long period of silence before Scourge asked another question. “Have you had any visions of what will happen when we face the Emperor?”
“No,” Revan said. “The dark side obscures my sight. We are walking into a time and place of shadows, and I cannot promise you that we will ever come out.”
@ILS
Quote function malfunctioning for me so I will quote your statements in generic manner.
Vitiate has encountered/enslaved Revan before, and likewise with Wyyrlok to Krayt, knows him very well, so that edge goes both ways. Unlike in Krayt's circumstance; he's never fought Wyyrlok before.
Maul didn't bring himself back from the brink of death; he was never on it. He just survived an unprecedented injury and kept functioning afterwards. Krayt's feat is different because he was on the brink of it and willed himself through.
Twenty seconds of charging time isn’t even slightly practical in combat, and she was empowered by a nexus. I’m sure if you put even Wyyrlok on Dromund Kaas with his stone-shattering lightning and let him charge it up for twenty seconds he’d manage the same quite easily.
There is also a photo of Teneb Kel breaching a massive wall with his powers, jumping over a train right afterwards.
My point is that breaching walls and destroying large objects is not much of a benchmark to consider in an argument about the potency of Force lightning via-a-vis powerful Force-users. Case in point, Teneb Kel's Force lightning did squat to Exal Kreesh irrespective of being that potent.
Now, provide concrete evidence of Darth Wyyrlok being capable of reducing powerful Force-users like Meetra Surik to a pile of ash.
2. Vitiate is going to be hard-pressed to charge anything when Krayt can loose TK and lightning of his own to interrupt him.
With that said, I’ll explain why Krayt’s lightning is infinitely beyond Nyriss’.
An iota of the power of Wyyrlok’s non-charged lightning could kill something close to a dozen Force sensitive Andeddu cultists. His non-charged lightning can shatter stone columns. His non-charged lightning can shatter lightsaber and heavy-blaster resistant armour. Krayt’s pre-prime lightning can kill scores of Vong and Rakghouls.
A casual blast of Force lightning from young Teneb Kel destroyed a large machine. I believe that it would enough to kill those targets you mentioned.
Krayt, with his Vong parasites hindering him, already had lightning which “far outstripped” Wyyrlok’s. By the time he’s Reborn, he’s at least more powerful than before, and if you take his sentiment for it, his power as “multiplied”, “far more than it once was”.
Yet...
Krayt’s lightning is several orders of magnitude higher than lightning which makes solid stone and large groups of Force users look like wet cloth.
Vitiate’s charged lightning is “infinitely more powerful” than lightning which can disintegrate two Force users while amped to hell by a nexus. Vitiate’s non-charged lightning is lesser than that.
Provide solid evidence of Darth Krayt being capable of reducing even Meetra Surik level Force-users to a pile of ash.
I know whose I find more impressive. And again, Krayt is the much more skilled fighter, meaning he’ll make better use of his better lightning in terms of trading blows with Vitiate, whether that means reflecting bolts back at Vitiate as Revan did, or interrupting him when he’s charging.
TELEPATHY:
Like I said, it wasn't easy by any means, but Krayt was in control of the fight. I by no means think he faked the difficulty he showed in enduring Wyyrlok's attack, but he seemed to beconfident in enduring it, which is why he retorted to Wyyrlok's monologue before offing him.
As "he seemed to be confident in enduring it."
He's visibly in terrible condition, clenching his head in dismay.
Hell, he looks more similar to his zombie version:
Than how he's suppose to look when in prime condition:
First... [snip]... paltry.
It was my mistake of attempting to correlate pain tolerance to mental resistance. I was simply trying to give a quick overview of what Scourge has shown, but I concede the One Sith listed are
comparable if not greater than what Scourge has demonstrated in regards to pain. However, I'd like to reemphasize what should have been the crux of my argument: his mental resistance feats *are* up with them, if not greater. However, before you can fully appreciate what Scourge has to offer, let me outline what Meetra Surik has.
a.) Meetra Surik's unique placement in orbit above Malachor V stationed her to directly feel the death of thousands of lives, many of whom were her closest friends and companions. Note that not only the deaths were falt, but also the breaking of bonds between individuals and the Force. The below passage emphasizes the severity of such an exposure, forcing Meetra Surik to severing herself from the Force.
In some ways it reminded her of Malachor V - the massive and instantaneous loss of life on that doomed world had created a wound in the Force. The activation of the mass-shadow generator had obliterated two armies, shredding apart the bonds of the Force that linked all living things. Meetra had been close enough to feel the shock wave; to survive it she had cut
herself off from the Force, shielding her psyche against the horrors of what she had unleashed. Many years had passed before she regained her connection to the Force, but in the end,
surviving the trauma of Malachor V had given her the strength to defeat Darth Traya and her followers.
b.) Due to her severing, she not only faced the horrors of the thousands dying, but also directly carried the weight of all those who died with her.
"Forgive me, Chodo, but the human - I could feel her suffering. I did not feel it until she stood before us, but then it filled my senses. Have you ever felt such anintensity before?"
"Only once before. The day I came to Telos and strode upon its ashen surface. It is a planet's worth of pain."
"I do not know how she endures."
"It is because she has no choice. Perhaps in helping to heal a planet, it will help her become whole again."
c.) Meetra Surik also resisted the planet of Malachor V when she again walked on its surface. Note that Kreia was instantly dominated when she tread on Malachor V as per the Chronicles of the Old Republic. The only other known individuals who resisted the corruptive energies of the world were Revan, Malak, and the Exile's companions (presumably due to the bond they shared with the Exile).
"There is a place in the galaxy where the dark side of the Force runs strong. It is something of the Sith, but it was fueled by war. It corrupts all that walks on itssurface - drowns them in the power of the dark side. It corrupts all life, and it feeds on death."
All in all, her willpower feats are insane, and relevant to the dicussion (in comparison to pain resistance, which really isn't. In all honesty, simple animals like lions endure far more terrible injuries than what all these characters listed have suffered, and yet would obviously be nothing next to any telepath in Star Wars). Simply skimming over the feats, it's obviously hard to compare willing yourself back from the brink of death to bearing the weight of an entire dead world (well, it shouldn't be that hard actually, the latter is blatantly more impressive), but a correlation is actually established in KotOR II. Note that Darth Sion has also willed himself back from the brink of death, and has done so on far more occasions than Darth Krayt. Now note that Darth Traya never found this that impressive of a feat of willpower, whereas much of her interest in the Exile was particularly on how she was able to do what she did on Malachor V. Thus, the Star Wars contuinity has literally established Meetra Surik's willpower feat better than Darth Krayt's. There's no need for speculation when in-universe characters already made clear the difference. At the very least, you should be able to recognize some form of parity.
Now, read the following:
“Come on, Tee-Three,” she said, unbuckling herself from the pilot’s chair. “Let’s take a look around and see what we can find.”As she stepped off the shuttle she felt like she had been punched in the gut; she doubled over, and T3 beeped in concern.
“I’m okay,” she gasped, slowly straightening up.
She had visited Malachor V years after the cataclysm of the mass-shadow generator. Traversing its surface had been agony. Mentally, she had still sensed the anguish of all who had
lost their lives there. Physically, the intense gravity of the world had held her in its crushing grip, leaving her gasping for breath. It had been the most awful and horrific
experience of her life... until now.
On Malachor she’d felt the echoes of unimaginable pain and suffering - but at least she’d felt something. Here on Nathema, there was only a cold emptiness. It was unnatural; abhorrent.
On Malachor she had felt the echo of great destruction; here there was only the unbearable void of annihilation.
Her body reacted with a revulsion so strong she felt physically ill. Her mind briefly tried to imagine what had happened to cause such an abomination, then
recoiled from the answers. Her mind went blank and her body numb.
She stood motionless for several minutes, or maybe it was several hours; time had no meaning here. But the incessant squawking of T3 eventually roused her from her stupor.
... The entire process took less than five minutes, but for Meetra it might as well have been an eternity. She had managed to keep busy up until this point, but while waiting idly by for T3 to
finish she began to notice the absence of the Force once more.
She could feel the Void pressing in on her from all sides. At the same time it was pulling on her, trying to rip away the very essence of her existence. Nature abhors a vacuum; the emptiness was
trying to fill itself with her energy. For an instant she felt as if she were going to become undone, her physical body discorporating into trillions of subatomic particles that would scatter
across the entire surface of Nathema.
No! she screamed in her mind. The Void will not take me! I am more than just a collection of random matter and particles! I am a living being. I am Meetra Surik!
The affirmation of her own existence seemed to push the Void back, at least for the moment. But Meetra knew she couldn’t hold out against it much longer. As much as she tried to ignore what she
felt - or, more precisely, didn’t fee - all around her, she knew it was only a matter of time until the horrors of Nathema stripped away her sanity.
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Compare the above to the below. The relevant passages are color-coded.
Still mute, Scourge followed her down the shuttle’s boarding ramp and out onto the world itself.They had touched down at a spaceport in a city. Or what used to be a city. The spaceport was surrounded by the buildings, speeder pads, and streets one would expect to see in a planet’s major
metropolitan center. But it was eerily quiet; the incessant murmur of the crowds and the constant hum of traffic whizzing past on busy streets were missing.
There wasn’t even any wind, and the air tasted stale in Scourge’s mouth. The temperature was neither cold nor hot, but he felt himself starting to shiver.
“You feel the chill of the Void,” Nyriss told him. “The Force is energy; it gives heat to our emotions and our minds. But here it has been stripped away.”
She led him along the deserted streets as Scourge stared in fascinated horror, trying to grasp the magnitude of what he was witnessing. The buildings seemed to be almost fully
intact; there was none of the damage and destruction normally associated with millions of simultaneous deaths. However, there were other signs of what had happened here.
Mangled speeders and shuttles were strewn about, the remains of vehicles in motion that had crashed to a halt when their pilots were taken by the ritual. And everywhere Scourge looked there were
small piles of clothes: jackets, slacks, and boots that had survived what their owners had not. Normally these remains would have been picked over by scavengers, but on Nathema even the vermin
and insects were extinct.
“Where are the droids?” Scourge asked.
He was shocked at the sound of his own voice. It was flat and dull, as if even sound waves had been distorted by the ritual.
“The ritual overloaded their circuits,” Nyriss explained, her voice as hollow and washed out as his. “The damage was irreparable; even their memory cores were completely wiped out.”
Scourge was well acquainted with death. He had no trouble understanding massacres and mass slaughter. Death and destruction unleashed powerful emotions like fear, suffering, and hatred; they
fueled the power of the dark side. But what had happened on Nathema was different, and it disturbed him in a deep and profound way...
“I’ve seen enough,” he declared.
Nyriss nodded, and they turned and made their way back to the ship...
By the time they reached the shuttle, Scourge’s stomach was churning. He had lived his whole life attuned to the Force; having it stripped away had left him physically ill.
The shuttle shook as they took to the air, and he fought against the urge to vomit.
In short, Scourge displays greater willpower than Meetra Surik. From the start, the text reveals Meetra Surik walking out into Nathema as feeling like being punched in the gut, whereas Scourge merely shivered. And then while Meetra Surik immediately felt physically sick, it took until the end of Scourge's visit for him to feel the same sensation. Finally, Meetra Surik literally ran back to her ship, fearing her sanity would soon be stripped; however, nothing of the such happened to Scourge.
With Scourge's superiority to Meetra Surik in mind, let's see how Scourge reacts to Vitiate:
As he spoke, the dark circles of his eyes seemed to fill with a swirling red mist, and for a brief instant the Emperor gave Scourge a glimpse of his true self. Scourge criedout in anguish as the Emperor’s mind brushed against his, then he collapsed to the floor, shaking like a child. The touch lasted less than a second, but in that time he witnessed indescribable
horrors that dwarfed anything the dark side could conjure even in his worst nightmares. And beneath the formless terrors lurked the unbearable Void, the pure emptiness of total annihilation.
Vitiate's mind merely brushing against Scourge yielded a result far worse than anything Scourge could have ever imagined, Nathema included. Now, don't forget that Meetra Surik remarked that Nathema was worse than any experience she's ever confronted as well. When recognizing Meetra Surik's confronted horrors comparable if not greater than what Darth Krayt has, the point is clear:
Darth Krayt is ****ed in an encounter with Vitiate. Completely and utterly ****ed.
Driving armies mad is Aleema Keto-tier shit.
Can you provide scans? I never recall her decimitating armies with waves of illusions and fear. She used sorcery to make it look like she had more ships than reality, but I believed that was it.
Also, while we're here, we can discuss that Krayt quite easily touched the mind of every single Dark Side practitioner in the galaxy simultaneously, telling them he had returned.That's millions of minds spread all across the galaxy.
Also, it should be noted that Korriban when he performed that feat.
I mean, hell, an "iota" ("an extremely small amount", by definition) of Wyyrlok's power is enough to make 12 Force users, some being each other's family, start immediately butcheringeach other. Can the Dread Master’s do that so easily?
And I mean, there's also the fact that while downing the HoT is nice, it's still not much compared to what Wyyrlok and Krayt can do. Cade Skywalker is someone who endured the Embraceof Pain, laughed off Maladi's illusions, laughed off the lure of the Muur Talisman while it was attached to him, etc, but was haunted by Force Visions Krayt forced into his head, couldn't stop a
dead Krayt from speaking in his mind, and was willing to fly into the sun because he thought Krayt's will could take over his will with Essence Transfer.
I'm honestly at a lost for words on how you think Darth Krayt bringing Cade Skywalker to his knees, when directly in front of him, after already having total Force dominance over him (due to Dark Transfer), is comparable to the Dread Masters bringing the Hero of Tython to his knees from across the galaxy. Note that the Hero of Tython's willpower is greater than that of Scourge's (connect the dots to realize that the Hero of Tython alone might have greater willpower than Darth Krayt). Even if we want to somehow say the feats are merely comparable, don't forget that the Dread Masters were *insignificant* next to that of Vitiate.
They can be weaker if they inhabit a weaker body, but they lack mortal chains as a spirit and can draw from the Living Force directly as a source of power, as Kun did on Yavin, ratherthan being limited by their Midichlorians.
Even as pure spirits, they are still generally significantly weaker. Examples of this fact would be Aloysius Kallig and Marka Ragnos.
Wyyrlok still slapped him out of existence.
After a fierce struggle of wills. It's an impressive feat for Darth Krayt (when considering scalling), but frankly still inferior to Scourge and Meetra Surik.
Uh, Darth Talon knows Drain Knowledge as well. Not really a big deal.
Hm? That's not helping your argument. The fact Drain Knowledge is so prominent of a technique, as you suggest, means that Vitiate should be capable of bringing Darth Krayt's fears to the forefront of his mind, like Darth Zannah does. However, note that Vitiate need note even do that, because his primary technique of mental dominance is far different from Darth Wyyrlok's and others. He doesn't care about his particular opponents fears, because he literally presents them with horrors that are "indescribable" in nature. Beneath it all rests "the pure emptiness of total annihilation." However, if Wyyrlok's and Zannah's methods prove to be more effective against Darth Krayt, I'm sure he's well capable of doing that too, for reasons listed prior.
Even if he can bring Krayt's worst memories to the forefront of his mind more successfully than Wyyrlok, without the aid of a nexus (a dubious proposition, again, given Wyyrlok's intimate knowledge of Krayt and Vitiate not having shown Memory Walk), Krayt now has the experience under his belt of going through that and overcoming it. What will Vitiate do any different?
Darth Krayt already had the experience of going through all those trials real-time. Darth Wyyrlok's illusions were merely presenting them for a second time. I fail to see a distinction for the third time. Even if you are right, refer above on why this method of telepathy is not the same as Vitiate's go-to. Vitiate will present Darth Krayt with horrors infinitely worse than Nathema, which in return is significantly worse than anything Darth Krayt has ever confronted (i.e. being in the brink of death). Reasons, again, are above.
He can try to just dominate/sunder Krayt's mind (though it begs the question; why didn't Wyyrlok try this opposed to Memory Walk, when we know he can kill people telepathically? Perhaps it's harder or less effective?),
Perhaps because Wyyrlok blatantly doesn't house the degree of power or telepathic abilities to perform something like that? Memory Walk was more effective given those circumstances in particular, but that isn't necessarily the case for a Sith entity who's honed his abilities for thousands of years. Darth Wyyrlok's technique is frankly basic, and commonly employed by many other Sith telepaths, such as Darth Zannah. Vitiate's is unique and unlike anything Darth Krayt has ever experienced.
but doing so to Scourge and failing to do so against a heavily, heavily weakened Revan, while amped on a nexus, isn't much of an argument when he has to do it a superior Krayt without a nexus.
This is really where your argument falters. You've yet to prove Darth Krayt has greater willpower than Scourge, let alone vastly, since a simple brush of Vitiate's power dropped Scourge like a *****. And god forbid a comparison against Revan, who's smacking Darth Krayt into the eighteenth dimension in a war of wills.
FORCE LIGHTNING:
Twenty seconds of charging time isn’t even slightly practical in combat, and she was empowered by a nexus. I’m sure if you put even Wyyrlok on Dromund Kaas with his stone-shattering lightning and let him charge it up for twenty seconds he’d manage the same quite easily.
You don't understand my argument. Allow me to reexplain. Yes, Darth Nyriss charged up for twenty seconds. And as you made note, she was also empowered by a nexus. The point then is that Revan than bitchslapped that amount of power without any visible difficulty. My argument then being that such means that Revan can produce the results of her twenty second empowered lightning nigh-instantly (the results being ashing Meetra Surik and Scourge), and then making note that Vitiate's lightning (albeit charged for under a second) was "infinitely" more powerful than Darth Nyriss' charged lightning in question. The end result being that Vitiate's lightning is like level 1000, and Darth Krayt's is like level 17.
This is pure conjecture and there’s no precedent set for what you’re suggesting. Just because Revan backhanded Nyriss’ lightning, doesn’t mean he can produce the same lighting whenever he wants, otherwise why have we never seen him do something like that? Are we to assume, also, that Revan can produce individual bolts of lightning equivalent to Vitiate’s because he backhanded one of them; that backhanded lightning being enough to knock Vitiate on his ass and burn his chest to a crisp? He might have stopped running at Vitiate with a sword if he could just throw a ranged attack with that kind of power.
Hm? Yes it does. Revan is capable of summoning enough Force energy in a split second as Darth Nyriss is in twenty seconds. If Revan directs that Force energy toward a lightning-based attack, he therefore must be capable of producing the same results. That's just... obvious? Also, Revan never backhanded Vitiate's lightning with the Force. He reflected it with his lightsaber, which is different. So your point is mute, assuming that's what your arguing.
TELEKINESIS:
Gameplay mechanics aren’t representative of canon, unfortunately
Unless you can provide me with a dirct quote stating such, I won't be yielding under the "game mechanics aren't canon" mindset than many members here adopt. They *are* a repesentative of canon under the basis they are contained within officially liscensed canon material.
I'll be neglecting a response to your other points unless you either present said evidence, or confirm that you believe that Soa's feat is inferior to that which you listed.
Yeah, I’m still waiting for your premise for Novel Vitiate being comparable to SWTOR.
Why wouldn't he? Vitiate's already had the peak of his power as per convential means. His only power growth would be slowly draining Revan, but there wasn't any indication he grew significantly in power from that. Most of the time spent between the two works was Vitiate distributing his power among Voices and other servants, and working on his Eternal Empire. He didn't spend those three centuries further mastering his abilities like he did the centuries prior to Revan.
CLOSING:
Well, that would help your argument. Again, even accounting for the added help, Krayt sustained so much injury that Luke Skywalker, I repeat, Luke Skywalker, was ready to give up and die, and got up anyway. That’s about as insane as it gets, and it’s before Krayt was at his strongest by quite a while.
Again, I don't think you're giving Darth Krayt growing more powerful from pain enough relevance. I'm not denying it's not an absurdly impressive feat, but when factoring in the Embrace of Pain, it's not a game-changer.
Elaborate, by all means.
If the writers intended for Luke to have the power of Anakin in his prime, as Lucas wanted, he wouldn't be tweleve times over Abeloth's inferior, nor would Sekot be one-shotting him.
Where was this confirmed? Was it even disclosed how he would go about it?
Darth Marr remarked that Vitiate's resurection as a spirit was better than him going back into a physical body.
Why would he know for sure? All he did was continually rush Vitiate.
Regardless, the point is Vitiate is a pretty clumsy guy in a fight. You can’t afford to be clumsy against a guy who is far more skilled than you, just as powerful, and packing instant healing.
Well, he's not as powerful, so that's one. Revan's also far more skilled and has immense healing powers, but that didn't save him.
1. Vitiate is a poor combatant.
2. Without a nexus amping him and weakening a Krayt who has already endured a hell of a lot of punishment, he’s going to have a much harder time of this fight. Now he’s fighting a fresh Krayt on neutral ground, making any comparisons to Revan pretty damn tainted.
2. You've yet to present feats for Darth Krayt greater than Revan distinegrating Darth Nyriss or besting Darth Malak, so a comparison is fine.
Uh, after Revan was downed he walked up to him, picked up his lightsaber and tried to stab him. Revan started healing himself meanwhile. If he tried that with Krayt, Krayt would heal his wounds in an instant and probably stab Vitiate.
That was only possible because he approached Revan with "calm, purposeful steps." Even if Vitiate does the same to Darth Krayt, you still concede he would be beaten in a feat, and I doubt it would take Darth Krayt until the absolute end of the engagement to begin emplyoing Dark Transfer defensively, so Vitiate should be well aware. Note that Vitiate provided the Jedi strike team on his space station no time to heal. With Revan it was different due to the chemistry they had together, I imagine. It's also possible Vitiate originally planned on keeping Revan alive, and that the beheading sequence was just a ruse on his part (with the final result being unknown due to Meetra Surik's intervention).
Vitiate is limited by how many Midichlorians he has in his body, like all Force users. It’s impossible to add on everyone’s combined power to your own, which is kind of why Bane, Palpatine, Vitiate, Krayt, Muur, etc, all spent so much time trying to transfer their essence to a fresh, more powerful body. All the ritual would do is increase his longevity.
I don't think Palpatine or Vitiate are. They're dark side entities contained within bodies, not bodies that have dark side energy.
The distinction being relevant, of course.
To conclude, Vitiate's telepathy *is* greater than Darth Krayt's mental defenses, his lightning *is* more potent than anything Darth Krayt has fended against, and his overall raw power and telekinesis *is* greater than anything Darth Krayt can produce or defend himself for a long-term engagement. Dark Transfer isn't winning Darth Krayt the battle, but rather just prolonging his inevitable defeat.
EDIT: Note that my above posts have some typos, but KMC doesn't seem to be allowing me to edit them, so you'll just have to endure (something Darth Krayt won't be doing in this fight, heh).
@DarthAnt66
Uh, yes he was.Your "revelations" demonstrate his ability to call upon both sides of the Force, but that doesn't mean he's in a state of perfect balance.
The Council revoked Revan's right because he argued that Jedi can get strength from their love, not because he was half consumed by the dark side.
Bastila Shan even made note that there was no "spark of the dark side" within Revan, since she feared him seeing his mask again would rekindle that.
But to press the point home:
“Nyriss blinds herself to that truth. That is the way of the dark side,” Revan said. “Those who follow it are driven by fear and ambition. They are too selfish to see that great victories often require sacrifice.”
Scourge grimaced. Sometimes he grew tired of Revan’s preaching against the dark side.
So yeah, that's a predominantly light-side character. Which is obvious, since Revan's a Jedi.
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And nah:
There was another long period of silence before Scourge asked another question. “Have you had any visions of what will happen when we face the Emperor?”
“No,” Revan said. “The dark side obscures my sight. We are walking into a time and place of shadows, and I cannot promise you that we will ever come out.”
Dark Side did not hinder Revan's strength.
