Originally posted by KingD19
I'm not a huge fan of how they altered so much but I can deal with that as most of its done well. The point I'm making is that they nerfed Thor and Hulk HARD and this has been obvious in every movie they've been in and had to give them gradual power creeps to even keep up with the growing threats the Avengers face. But suddenly Captain Marvel shows up and is just able to battle Thanos with no reason aside from....she's Captain Marvel and women are strong. Usually stronger than men evenIts clear pandering to the female demographic to boost sales and such. The issue is that and not that they changed some things. I cant explain this much more clearly.
I'm sure in the film we're going to find out why she's so powerful, [I assume] that being she's a living weapon created by the Kree.
I don't think neither Hulk or Thor were nerfed that hard. Thor was defeated off screen and Thanos literally had an army with him at the time, along with his Black Order. Hulk simply got his ass kicked my someone who was both physically stronger and a better trained fighter. Also of note, Thor almost killed Thanos who was God-powered at the time.
General inquiry: This goes to anyone who has these reservations of "she's too powerful", how powerful do you feel she should be/ranked and why?
Originally posted by Putinbot1
A certain type of comic fan perhaps, MCU deviated from the comics beyond repair with the Thor "Ancient Gods were extraterrestials". Doesn't stop me enjoying it at all for what it is. Surely Thanos's lack of love for Death or what they've done Planet Hulk storyline is a lot worse than Danvers being Warlock, the Surfer and Mar Vell amalgamated in this.
I thought we were getting Adam Warlock in th GotG storyline?
Originally posted by RobtardPossibly but he, Mar Vell and the Surfer along with Drax and Iron Man to a point were Thanos's original big foes and filers. Drax isn't Thanos's nemesis. MCU cant use Surfer yet, Warlock may appear in Guardians but he isn't that Warlock who fought Magus with Thanos and turned Thanos's body to stone whilst putting "old prune face" in the soul gem and Mar Vell isn't around only Ms Marvel is, who I see playing all the roles mentioned combined save Iron Man.
I thought we were getting Adam Warlock in th GotG storyline?
Originally posted by RobtardHe won't be and therein lies the dilemma, where they need someone to fill that space. Mar Vell is dead in comics and ain't coming back, Surfer can't be used and Warlock isn't part of the action they need that foil and a set up for secret invasion, enter the new improved cosmic Binary/Ms Marvel. Shazam!
We've had two hints of Warlock, the cocoon in the Collector's collection in GotG and the Sovereign golden cocoon at the end of GotG2. IMO, we're getting a Warlock and he's going to be extremely powerful.But that's going to be after the Avenger's story-line wraps up.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
@ PR I never said nor would I state you are in anyway sexist or propagate sexist views, I know full well that's not you. So what do you think is not to like for a comic fan? I personally try and forget the comics when I watch a comic film. So few resemble the comics, Watchmen, 300, a history of violence, red and iron man being exceptions.@ Ares, Same question almost for you Ares, what do you see as the main problem?
I'm gonna try to be brief as best I can: Marvel has not been doing well as of late. Sure, it's still making money, but across the board, comic sales are down. The standard of writing is down. The powers that be have instituted massive changes, some of which have been good, but most of which have been objectively costly because they were either bad or just handled badly.
Then they went and took Carol Danvers, a character that beforehand was mostly famous for being the source of Rogue's powers (and that's being nice considering her history), and decided to make her their new Superman in terms of their role in the universe.
You ever read about the concept of the author avatar or the Mary Sue? Carol became that in a lot of ways, which was jarring considering her actual representation as a character.
So then they say they're making a movie. All right, fine. MCU keeps rolling on. But, then Feige had to go and open his damn mouth about her being the most powerful Avenger. I could go in to the many reasons why this is bad, but I'm sure you know them already. Suffice it to say, The idea of the "niche" or "role" within comics is massively important.
This is the character they want to push on us. And yeah, you can say "we need more female characters", and you'd be right, we do. But am I supposed to pretend they've gotten them all right so far too? That they've knocked it out of the park with Gamora, Wanda and Widow when they really, really haven't? Or that the entire movie stinks of being reactionary to Wonder Woman's success, rather than an actual desire to give young women more role models?
I would love it if Captain Marvel was the next Wonder Woman, I really would. In a vacuum, I would even care less about it as a whole. But after 11 years, Avengers 4 is coming out, and they cannot **** that up. Not after how good 3 was.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm gonna try to be brief as best I can: Marvel has not been doing well as of late. Sure, it's still making money, but across the board, comic sales are down. The standard of writing is down. The powers that be have instituted massive changes, some of which have been good, but most of which have been objectively costly because they were either bad or just handled badly.Then they went and took Carol Danvers, a character that beforehand was mostly famous for being the source of Rogue's powers (and that's being nice considering her history), and decided to make her their new Superman in terms of their role in the universe.
You ever read about the concept of the author avatar or the Mary Sue? Carol became that in a lot of ways, which was jarring considering her actual representation as a character.
So then they say they're making a movie. All right, fine. MCU keeps rolling on. But, then Feige had to go and open his damn mouth about her being the most powerful Avenger. I could go in to the many reasons why this is bad, but I'm sure you know them already. Suffice it to say, The idea of the "niche" or "role" within comics is massively important.
This is the character they want to push on us. And yeah, you can say "we need more female characters", and you'd be right, we do. But am I supposed to pretend they've gotten them all right so far too? That they've knocked it out of the park with Gamora, Wanda and Widow when they really, really haven't? Or that the entire movie stinks of being reactionary to Wonder Woman's success, rather than an actual desire to give young women more role models?
I would love it if Captain Marvel was the next Wonder Woman, I really would. In a vacuum, I would even care less about it as a whole. But after 11 years, Avengers 4 is coming out, and they cannot **** that up. Not after how good 3 was.
Yeah I'm hoping she's not a Mary Sue, I truly am. There is a difference between being powerful and being a Mary Sue. I don't wanna see her landing the final blow on Thanos in the Avengers movie. Is it cuz she's a woman? Nope. She hasn't earned it. I wanna see Iron Man or Cap or Thor do it and that has nothing to do with them being men and everything to do with these characters all being here for most/all of this journey.
And I get the feeling if this movie doesn't do well it's gonna be blamed on sexism, which really won't be the case IMO.
Common sense says that at the very least, Captain Marvel won't be shit. Even the worst of the MCU is watchable, faults or no faults. We might be told how great she is, how she's a one in a million warrior and blah blah blah she's a strong, capable woman, but hopefully they'll show it more than tell it. At the very least the strong supporting cast (I mean, does anyone actually dislike Fury or Coulson?), and finally seeing the Skrulls on-screen should be enough to tide us over if Larsen doesn't light the world on fire, but let's hope she does.
I'm going opening day, as I'm sure many will be too.
Avengers is the slightly-more tricky thing, imo. It's not just about her punching out Thanos, tbh. I wouldn't even mind if she does it, truth be told. As it stands, though? A lot of us have been expecting this to be the last movie for Evans and/or even RDJ. So they need not just a good send-off, but a huge one. Clint has own arc going on. Hulk... Hulk really needs a big showing in this movie, and on top of that, there's a whole supporting cast of people that need to have at least a moment of their own to shine. And then on top of all of that, there's Captain Marvel, and that's without Adam Warlock even showing up at all, unless they spring that on us.
In the end, I'm not going to bet against Avengers being a spectacle and a half. I'm not going to bet against Endgame being a great finish to the opening phases of the MCU.
If I'm going to be worried about anything, it's what might come after, because no ****ing way is anyone going to fill Chris Evans's shoes as the best thing about the MCU.
Anyone that says there's zero reason to be worried though, or that the detractors just hate girls? You're talking out your ass.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Common sense says that at the very least, Captain Marvel won't be shit. Even the worst of the MCU is watchable, faults or no faults. We might be told how great she is, how she's a one in a million warrior and blah blah blah she's a strong, capable woman, but hopefully they'll show it more than tell it. At the very least the strong supporting cast (I mean, does anyone actually dislike Fury or Coulson?), and finally seeing the Skrulls on-screen should be enough to tide us over if Larsen doesn't light the world on fire, but let's hope she does.I'm going opening day, as I'm sure many will be too.
Avengers is the slightly-more tricky thing, imo. It's not just about her punching out Thanos, tbh. I wouldn't even mind if she does it, truth be told. As it stands, though? A lot of us have been expecting this to be the last movie for Evans and/or even RDJ. So they need not just a good send-off, but a huge one. Clint has own arc going on. Hulk... Hulk really needs a big showing in this movie, and on top of that, there's a whole supporting cast of people that need to have at least a moment of their own to shine. And then on top of all of that, there's Captain Marvel, and that's without Adam Warlock even showing up at all, unless they spring that on us.
In the end, I'm not going to bet against Avengers being a spectacle and a half. I'm not going to bet against Endgame being a great finish to the opening phases of the MCU.
If I'm going to be worried about anything, it's what might come after, because no ****ing way is anyone going to fill Chris Evans's shoes as the best thing about the MCU.
Anyone that says there's zero reason to be worried though, or that the detractors just hate girls? You're talking out your ass.
Well said
Originally posted by -Pr-I don't really disagree with any of that and like I say, Marvel isn't using any of the classic Thanos nemesis, Mar Vell, Surfer, Warlock so why not up Carol's power a little and get her to fill that role. Believe it or not, I actually have a lot of the original Ms Marvel comics and they are sure to go up in value permanently if the film is a hit, including issue 1 and her first appearance as Binary 🙂
I'm gonna try to be brief as best I can: Marvel has not been doing well as of late. Sure, it's still making money, but across the board, comic sales are down. The standard of writing is down. The powers that be have instituted massive changes, some of which have been good, but most of which have been objectively costly because they were either bad or just handled badly.Then they went and took Carol Danvers, a character that beforehand was mostly famous for being the source of Rogue's powers (and that's being nice considering her history), and decided to make her their new Superman in terms of their role in the universe.
You ever read about the concept of the author avatar or the Mary Sue? Carol became that in a lot of ways, which was jarring considering her actual representation as a character.
So then they say they're making a movie. All right, fine. MCU keeps rolling on. But, then Feige had to go and open his damn mouth about her being the most powerful Avenger. I could go in to the many reasons why this is bad, but I'm sure you know them already. Suffice it to say, The idea of the "niche" or "role" within comics is massively important.
This is the character they want to push on us. And yeah, you can say "we need more female characters", and you'd be right, we do. But am I supposed to pretend they've gotten them all right so far too? That they've knocked it out of the park with Gamora, Wanda and Widow when they really, really haven't? Or that the entire movie stinks of being reactionary to Wonder Woman's success, rather than an actual desire to give young women more role models?
I would love it if Captain Marvel was the next Wonder Woman, I really would. In a vacuum, I would even care less about it as a whole. But after 11 years, Avengers 4 is coming out, and they cannot **** that up. Not after how good 3 was.
Originally posted by Putinbot1
I don't really disagree with any of that and like I say, Marvel isn't using any of the classic Thanos nemesis, Mar Vell, Surfer, Warlock so why not up Carol's power a little and get her to fill that role. Believe it or not, I actually have a lot of the original Ms Marvel comics and they are sure to go up in value permanently if the film is a hit, including issue 1 and her first appearance as Binary 🙂
My issue is using Carol to fill that role. I don't mind someone doing it, I just think there are far better choices, and considering all that's been going on, I think she was one of the poorest, even if you take in to account how not having the X-Men has hurt Marvel's ability to use their best characters for the MCU.
I liked Carol as Ms. Marvel. She wasn't in my top ten or anything, but I thought she always had the potential to be something good. I just don't like what they turned her in to. Even making her Captain Marvel is okay with me, it's just how she turned out that bothers me.
HMMM??? Now this is ODD!!!!!!!
Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
It sounds like a lot of you just aren't big on Carol Danvers as a character to begin with. I don't have a problem with that, but if she's not your thing, just ignore the movie. Don't go to see it. You're not going to miss anything that you can't read on the Wiki.
Well there is that for some people but also some of them are just comicsgate people.
I like Carol. She's more resourceful than downright broken powerful so I just hope they find a way to make her crafty with her powerset. It's weird to think she'll be more powerful than Thor because heroes in Marvel don't really scale that high.
My interest in this movies is that they adapt Annihilation in its sequel and that's about it.
Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
It sounds like a lot of you just aren't big on Carol Danvers as a character to begin with. I don't have a problem with that, but if she's not your thing, just ignore the movie. Don't go to see it. You're not going to miss anything that you can't read on the Wiki.
The problem lies with Brie Larson and the way she’s attacking straight men and whites in general.
She’s a ****ing cun~t, no if or buts about it. It became so bad, that rotten tomatoes changed their rating systems because of Captain Marvel being hated on.
Which is even funnier when you realize RT’s is owned by WB.