Pong Krell: Combative Prowess Discussion

Originally posted by Selenial
A solid example actually, considering how lowly Dooku rated him as a duelist, saying his skills were overrated and sloppy, IIRC.

Good point 👆

Originally posted by Emperordmb
and specifically criticized his footwork despite the fact that Skweli literally had no feet.

LMFAO

Originally posted by Lord Stark
It is two different mediums though. If Krell were to be in the original Clone Wars it probably would have been an army of Jedi he was cleaving through maybe

👆

For the medium he was in, Krell was a Beast

Originally posted by Selenial
What part of Dooku looked taxed during that engagement? mmm

"I'm a slow learner," Anakin replied coolly, and he came on then, so suddenly, so powerfully, his green blade whirling with such speed that he seemed almost encased in green light.

For the first time, Count Dooku lost his little confident smile. He had to work furiously to keep Anakin's blade at bay, dodging more than parrying. He tried to step out to the side, but stopped as if he had hit a wall, and his eyes widened a bit when he realized that this young Padawan, in the midst of that assault, had used the Force to block his exit.

Unless Ti's feat was decidedly better than Krells, and she was, by your own admission, at the lower end of this "top tier".

No, since you acknowledged it's an argument for technical skill that isn't applicable to duels. Your entire ranking of him is supposition based on how impressive you find his dual wielding, which isn't an accurate or well-founded method of ranking characters whatsoever.

It's almost as if "we can't actually judge Krell's ability as a combatant at all, based on his singular showing."

Originally posted by Emperordmb
While your position is definitely the right one (over thinking ****ing dual wielding and cutting through clones is all it takes now to be Grievous+ level), Dooku's just kinda being a prick there. He's a prick throughout the entirety of the Jedi Path, hates aliens, and specifically criticized his footwork despite the fact that Skweli literally had no feet.

Fair point, tbfh.

Though on the foot point, footwork doesn't always refer to literal feat. And Skwelli would actually have had more like a dozen "feet" on the ground at once, than none. It more likely serves to point out the flaws in her positioning in general, or the other definition that Webster gives: "active and skillful movement or activity to achieve a goal"

I guess, my point is, whether he's being a prick or not, he obviously doesn't rate Skwelli as highly as others do, suggesting her six blades don't make up for poor technique.

I want to see Sel stabbing all of you in cold blood 🙂
I don't even care for the debate over here though 🙂 🙂 🙂

Hoth>Windu tbh guys

Hoth was cutting through so many enemies at once, including Sith, which is fairly unprecedented, especially in the context of single/first appearances seeing as Hoth in the single battle he's actually shown in is performing this and Windu in not only his first battle where he couldn't even stop B1 battle droids from shitting on his Jedi allies but in Windu's appearances in the first two movies where he's even shown as a big deal on the council where all Windu does is fight droids and beat Jango Fett with difficulty (I mean Hoth can handle being swarmed by Sith and soldiers, but Windu gets tagged by one bounty hunter? WTF?!!). Not to mention Hoth's feat of becoming the battlemaster by his mid-twenties is unprecedented and indicates an insanely high skill with the blade.

In the context of first/single appearances/battles, Hoth is quite frankly embarrassing Windu and doing some rather unprecedented stuff, and thus we must put Hoth above Windu, and any claims that Hoth isn't that good are merely attacking his lack of exposure and are therefore bullshit. Hoth doesn't need to show more than this to be put on such a level when we can just infer he's on that level from what we've seen put into context.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
This part:

"I'm a slow learner," Anakin replied coolly, and he came on then, so suddenly, so powerfully, his green blade whirling with such speed that he seemed almost encased in green light.

For the first time, Count Dooku lost his little confident smile. He had to work furiously to keep Anakin's blade at bay, dodging more than parrying. He tried to step out to the side, but stopped as if he had hit a wall, and his eyes widened a bit when he realized that this young Padawan, in the midst of that assault, had used the Force to block his exit.

So a focused Anakin furious at the near-death of Kenobi managed to push Dooku back. Worked great in the end 👆

And yet nobody, myself included, is arguing Krell is an equal to Shaak Ti.

Actually, ILS was arguing his feat was superior. I was replying to ILS, you chose to step in. If you agreed, I don't see why you got involved here at all. Unless of course you're moving the goalposts in an act of concession 👆

Lol.Because?... you haven't actually substantiated this claim with anything lmao.

Are you seriously asking me to explain to you why blocking blaster bolts is different to dueling?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Hoth>Windu tbh guys

Hoth was cutting through so many enemies at once, including Sith, which is fairly unprecedented, especially in the context of single/first appearances seeing as Hoth in the single battle he's actually shown in is performing this and Windu in not only his first battle where he couldn't even stop B1 battle droids from shitting on his Jedi allies but in Windu's appearances in the first two movies where he's even shown as a big deal on the council where all Windu does is fight droids and beat Jango Fett with difficulty (I mean Hoth can handle being swarmed by Sith and soldiers, but Windu gets tagged by one bounty hunter? WTF?!!). Not to mention Hoth's feat of becoming the battlemaster by his mid-twenties is unprecedented and indicates an insanely high skill with the blade.

In the context of first/single appearances/battles, Hoth is quite frankly embarrassing Windu and doing some rather unprecedented stuff, and thus we must put Hoth above Windu, and any claims that Hoth isn't that good are merely attacking his lack of exposure and are therefore bullshit. Hoth doesn't need to show more than this to be put on such a level when we can just infer he's on that level from what we've seen put into context.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Hoth>Windu tbh guys

Hoth was cutting through so many enemies at once, including Sith, which is fairly unprecedented, especially in the context of single/first appearances seeing as Hoth in the single battle he's actually shown in is performing this and Windu in not only his first battle where he couldn't even stop B1 battle droids from shitting on his Jedi allies but in Windu's appearances in the first two movies where he's even shown as a big deal on the council where all Windu does is fight droids and beat Jango Fett with difficulty (I mean Hoth can handle being swarmed by Sith and soldiers, but Windu gets tagged by one bounty hunter? WTF?!!). Not to mention Hoth's feat of becoming the battlemaster by his mid-twenties is unprecedented and indicates an insanely high skill with the blade.

In the context of first/single appearances/battles, Hoth is quite frankly embarrassing Windu and doing some rather unprecedented stuff, and thus we must put Hoth above Windu, and any claims that Hoth isn't that good are merely attacking his lack of exposure and are therefore bullshit. Hoth doesn't need to show more than this to be put on such a level when we can just infer he's on that level from what we've seen put into context.

Different mediums, different writers, different continuity, and different logic altogether with the "single/first appearance!11!1!" shit.

My version:

Same medium, same writers, same continuity.

But nice try, DMB. 😱

Originally posted by Selenial
So a focused Anakin furious at the near-death of Kenobi managed to push Dooku back. Worked great in the end 👆

Actually, ILS was arguing his feat was superior. I was replying to ILS, you chose to step in. If you agreed, I don't see why you got involved here at all. Unless of course you're moving the goalposts in an act of concession 👆

Are you seriously asking me to explain to you why blocking blaster bolts is different to dueling?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I'd be rather surprised if he though Krell > Ti tbh.

Well, that's what he said.

Erm, seeing as I was the one who pointed that out in the first place. I'd think not. mmm

Then explain what you were asking mmm

Originally posted by ILS
Where you failed:

Different mediums, different writers, different continuity, and different logic altogether with the "single/first appearance!11!1!" shit.

My version:

Same medium, same writers, same continuity.

But nice try, DMB. 😱

That's pretty hilarious since you lowball Shaak Ti's Magnaguards feat every time based on other mediums.

You also say that Kenobi wasn't disadvantaged against Krayt, because Qui-Gon and Maul weren't in TPM, even though the text makes it clear Kenobi was.

Your double standards are approaching Legend tier.

Originally posted by Selenial
A solid example actually, considering how lowly Dooku rated him as a duelist, saying his skills were overrated and sloppy, IIRC.

Good point 👆

Eehhhh. Dooku is dooku tho

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
That's pretty hilarious since you lowball Shaak Ti's Magnaguards feat every time based on other mediums.

You also say that Kenobi wasn't disadvantaged against Krayt, because Qui-Gon and Maul weren't in TPM, even though the text makes it clear Kenobi was.

Your double standards are approaching Legend tier.

I said it's not a massive deal that shifted the fight well in favour of Hett.

Your sodium meter is reaching 9/11 tier. 🙂

Originally posted by ILS
It's a medium-transcending fact that Magnaguards have limited programming. Try again. 🙂

Three MagnaGuards, each with a double-ended weapon that generated an energy field impervious to lightsabers, each with reflexes that operated near lightspeed, each with hypersophisticated heuristic combat algorithms that enabled it to learn from experience and adapt its tactics instantly to any situation.
—Revenge of the Sith Novelization

mmm

Originally posted by ILS
I said it's not a massive deal that shifted the fight well in favour of Hett.

No, you said that there is no adavantage since other mediums didn't mention anything about fighting in the sand.
Also the writer felt the need to point out twice that Kenobi was less experienced with sand so your arugment is invalid.

Originally posted by ILS
Your sodium meter is reaching 9/11 tier. 🙂

You disagree with me = you are salty.
-ILS 2016

10/10 Original.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Six days already? Not long enough. 🙂

Kys 🙂

Remember, y'all, we can't use feats unless it suits us to use feats. And when it doesn't suit us, just claim different media so that under Whoever's pen this guy > that guy, so feats shouldn't matter.
Anyways, Zett Jukassa massacred hordes of Clones as he was exiting the temple, and he didn't have Krell's physical advantage or the range of defense he possesses. Pong Krell isn't worth a damn, he's just an episodic villain made to look cool.

>Kills half a dozen clones before getting shot to pieces
>"Hordes"

These arguments are starting to get embarrassing. 😬

Krell being on his own team would have been better. Hating the Sith and Jedi and trying to butcher them both because he's turned into a rampant psycho. A whole new arc could've been made; Krell vs everyone and him growing so powerful that perhaps the Jedi and Sith team up to get him together? Or Sidious himself duels him? So much potential it's sad...