Orlando Terrorist Attack

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Okay what else could cause a person to do something like this. No religion in this world could ever get me to commit a crime like that. I would separate myself from anyone or any religion that asked me to do that. Maybe insanity is the wrong word. However, mentally sound people just do not make choices like that. The vast majority of people that we pass every day on the street would never do something like that. Why is this guy and others like him different?

Well that's fair to re-word it, but the argument can be made that anyone who follows any religion is not mentally sound. Which I'd likely agree with.

Okay what else could cause a person to do something like this. No religion in this world could ever get me to commit a crime like that. I would separate myself from anyone or any religion that asked me to do that. Maybe insanity is the wrong word. However, mentally sound people just do not make choices like that. The vast majority of people that we pass every day on the street would never do something like that. Why is this guy and others like him different?

Well that's fair to re-word it, but the argument can be made that anyone who follows any religion is not mentally sound. Which I'd likely agree with.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Okay what else could cause a person to do something like this. No religion in this world could ever get me to commit a crime like that. I would separate myself from anyone or any religion that asked me to do that. Maybe insanity is the wrong word. However, mentally sound people just do not make choices like that. The vast majority of people that we pass every day on the street would never do something like that. Why is this guy and others like him different?

People have murdered over religion pretty much since the invention of religion. Do not underestimate religious fanaticism.

Why do they kill for this? They legitimately think they will be given some grand reward in the after life, it's what they believe.

That is another key difference between Islam and Christianity. Suicide is usually viewed as bad, it's viewed as you going to hell or at the very least being kept out of heaven. For Islam? If you explode yourself for the cause you think you will get rewarded.

These are dangerous people who think they are going to get some sort of mystical prize for their actions. Remember this the same religion that gets up in arms if you show a chicks face or draw a picture of their religious figures.

Originally posted by Quincy
Well that's fair to re-word it, but the argument can be made that anyone who follows any religion is not mentally sound. Which I'd likely agree with.

I don't agree that religion as for the mentally ill. However that is an argument for another day.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
I don't agree that religion as for the mentally ill. However that is an argument for another day.

See I dunno because if you just switch around some of terms in a religion and speak about them you would have people definitely thinking you are crazy.

For instance: God created everything becomes Aliens created everything. If I were to go around ranting aliens created us and that I worship them..people would think I am crazy.

Hell if a female went around pregnant but saying she was a virgin and just insisting she just spontaneously got pregnant due to magic..wouldn't she be labeled a nut?

If I told someone I couldn't eat meat on Fridays because an imaginary friend told me it was wrong..again, I'd be called a loon.

Originally posted by Surtur
People have murdered over religion pretty much since the invention of religion. Do not underestimate religious fanaticism.

Why do they kill for this? They legitimately think they will be given some grand reward in the after life, it's what they believe.

That is another key difference between Islam and Christianity. Suicide is usually viewed as bad, it's viewed as you going to hell or at the very least being kept out of heaven. For Islam? If you explode yourself for the cause you think you will get rewarded.

These are dangerous people who think they are going to get some sort of mystical prize for their actions. Remember this the same religion that gets up in arms if you show a chicks face or draw a picture of their religious figures.

Murders are committed outside religious reasons. Sandy Hook was not motivated by religion. Columbine, Va Twch, etc. Drug cartels do not murdwe based on religion.

You can'r blame it all on religion

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Murders are committed outside religious reasons. Sandy Hook was not motivated by religion. Columbine, Va Twch, etc. Drug cartels do not murdwe based on religion.

You can'r blame it all on religion

When did I say all violence is attributed to religion? I simply said there has always been killing over it, since its inception.

A lot of people who weren't religious have done horrible things, but do you think most of that was done in the name of not having a religion? It wasn't. They weren't going "this is for the non existent deity I don't worship!" and then stabbing a dude. Nobody is screaming out "praise the empty void no deity can fill" before they explode themselves.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
But this argument is just as ignorant. Consider that there's been more deaths due to political ideology/secularism in a 20 year period than the entirety of the Crusades, so if following religion denotes insanity, then so does following any political ideology and you just basically called everybody insane.

I'd say they are more unsound than out and out insane. What surtur said kinda nails it. Replace "god" with "aliens" and yeah, that's craziness.

Following one strict political idealogy and staying inert despite overwhelming evidence against policy or backwards morals BECAUSE you are affiliated with one party would also be pretty unsound.

I'd say they are more unsound than out and out insane. What surtur said kinda nails it. Replace "god" with "aliens" and yeah, that's craziness.

Following one strict political idealogy and staying inert despite overwhelming evidence against policy or backwards morals BECAUSE you are affiliated with one party would also be pretty unsound.

Originally posted by Surtur
When did I say all violence is attributed to religion? I simply said there has always been killing over it, since its inception.

A lot of people who weren't religious have done horrible things, but do you think most of that was done in the name of not having a religion? It wasn't. They weren't going "this is for the non existent deity I don't worship!" and then stabbing a dude. Nobody is screaming out "praise the empty void no deity can fill" before they explode themselves.

You bring religion up alot and use it as a motive to commit mass murders. I don't necessarily disagree with you. I know how Islam operates and what they believe in. I know the Catholic church has had a history of violence during the Inquisition. I know you have hate groups like the Westboro Baptist Church that wish death two homosexuals. Not all Christians are like that. Any ideology political, religious, or otherwise can lead to intolerance and death to those who choose not to follow. It depends on what you're indoctrinated in.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
You bring religion up alot and use it as a motive to commit mass murders. I don't necessarily disagree with you. I know how Islam operates and what they believe in. I know the Catholic church has had a history of violence during the Inquisition. I know you have hate groups like the Westboro Baptist Church that wish death two homosexuals. Not all Christians are like that. Any ideology political, religious, or otherwise can lead to intolerance and death to those who choose not to follow. It depends on what you're indoctrinated in.

I bring up religion in this thread because it seems obvious that is the root of this.

Yep the church was very violent back in the day, but in the modern day we have Islam that is still violent today.

The other problem is people do also use the reasoning you use, in that every religion has this. The thing is not every religion has it to the same extent. People want to act like it's a small minority of this religion that believe these hateful ideas.

I am no fan of Christians so I don't like to defend them, but as I pointed out before the modern day Christians mostly want to just shun people they don't like and/or deny them certain rights, not murder them. That of course isn't okay to do, but it's a lesser type of intolerance.

You really simplify religion to the point where you're misrepresenting it.

What has been misrepresented? Islam is way more violent today than Christianity is. Or rather the people that follow it are way more violent than Christians.

You keep commenting on religion and hateful ideas as well as Christians shunning people they don't like but we both know that's not true. If i believe in god and follow Judaic law, does that mean i shun people or hate people?

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
You keep commenting on religion and hateful ideas as well as Christians shunning people they don't like but we both know that's not true. If i believe in god and follow Judaic law, does that mean i shun people or hate people?

No let me clarify what I mean. Not all Christians have this hate, but I was saying that most of the time when they do have hate and intolerance they express it via shunning people and just denying them rights. They tend to not express it with mass murder.

There's one thing to have hate and intolerance. There's another to follow scripture correctly while recognizing to each his own. The latter is the majority of religious people.

Well okay but my comment was about those who do have this hate.

I'm just saying when modern day Christians get their hate on it's usually more passive in nature.

I also think everyone should the time to watch this video, which is only a little over 6 minutes long, which is about the myth of the radical minority in Islam:

YouTube video

He even breaks down the different countries and how many muslims are there and what percentage of them believe what.

Yea I saw it, its not a minority, its a majority. The minority thing is a lie.

People really need to watch it before they try to compare modern day Christians to these people.