Originally posted by Robtard
It does in the bigger sense, because if this turd who was investigated by the FBI about three years ago can easily get his hands on a gun like that and murder almost 50 people alone. What happens if actual ISIS trained terrorist get here (if they're not already), we could have what happened in Paris many times over.What T&S said earlier is correct, we need better gun control. More thorough background checks, more communication between agencies, longer wait periods etc. It's not going to stop everyone with murder on their mind, but it will stop some and it might have stopped this fool.
But then I do not think the type of gun matters. He shouldn't of been able to buy any type of gun if he had been investigated by the FBI.
If this is about background checks, etc. then why does the type of gun matter? All guns should have the same background check.
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Originally posted by Surtur
But then I do not think the type of gun matters. He shouldn't of been able to buy any type of gun if he had been investigated by the FBI.If this is about background checks, etc. then why does the type of gun matter? All guns should have the same background check.
It does. You can kill 50 a lot easier with something like an AR15 than you can with a hunting rifle. He should have at least thrown off some flags and not been allowed such easy access.
But yeah, overall agreed. The fact he was able to get this weapon and go on a murder spree a week or so later is a problem.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I love how the liberal media have made it about him being gay, and the guns fault. Not the fact he was a Muslim terrorist following a extreme ideology.
Because the question arises of whether Islam is an inherently violent religion or if the terrorists are radicals interpreting the Quran in subjectively violent ways. To say it is inherently violent would be an incredibly discriminatory generalization that ignores the vast amount of peaceful Muslims who decry sharia law, salafism (jihadists), terrorists, and homophobia. Just as Mormons are technically Christian but are rejected by Hell, there are even Muslims who support Trump, so clearly it is not Islam itself that needs to be addressed. As I will repeat AGAIN, Islam is a religion, meaning it's an ideology, and all ideologies have extremists and opportunists who exploit and corrupt the ideology based on their interpretation of it.
If one were try to blame it's violent passages and how they induce hatred, another could simply point to the violent passages of any other Abrahamic religion and how they induce hatred, including the infamous Leviticus 20:13, which is still used today to justify intolerance, as shown with Kim Davis.
The problem is that blaming Islam entirely is EXACTLY what the terrorists want. Islam has a clear rule that one should fight to the death against oppression, meaning that if any entity is trying to forcibly convert them against their belief, that they should fight to the death to resist. This is the concept of jihad. Terrorists justify their extremism by saying the West, due to its secular humanism, is this oppressor due to putting human rights over sharia law. This is just their excuse for barbarism though, as Islam is supposed to be converted to naturally, never proselytized, as Muslims are not supposed to forcibly convert people either.
Many Muslims disagree with the terrorists, as freedom of religion of secular governments protects Islam and all other Abrahamic religions as a human right, but if a war on Islam itself is declared, then not only does that violate the constitutional freedom of religion, but it confirms the terrorists idea that the West is trying to oppress Islam and forcibly convert Muslims against Allah. My very devout Christian cousin said she would be tortured and killed before she renounced Jesus Christ. That is the sentiment all Muslims, even the peaceful ones have about Allah. If a war on Islam is declared, even the virtuous Muslims will view it as a declaration of war on them. That is 23% of the human population who will view the United States as the ultimate enemy.
Trump said he wanted to ban Muslims until he could find out what was happening. Here's what's happening: idiots like him keep calling out Islam, making more and more Muslims think the U.S. is going to eventually renege on its constitutional promise of freedom of religion and begin persecuting and oppressing them, motivating more and more to join and commit acts in the name of groups like ISIS.
This is why I view a Trump presidency as apocalyptic. Hillary may be corrupt, but even she's smart enough to know not to pick a fight with nearly a quarter of the world's population. Hell, even Bush was smart enough to call it a war on terror rather than Islam. But if Trump goes on the world stage declaring war on billions of people, the consequences would be..well...apocalyptic. There would be a massive increase in terrorism the likes of which the industrial world has never witnessed.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm not sure what blaming Islam is supposed to accomplish tbh. Discriminating against and spreading hatred for Muslims is exactly what ISIS wants to happen.
ISIS doesn't give a shit, they will do what they do either way.
We shouldn't hate all Muslims, but we also shouldn't pretend like it's a super small minority of the religion with these beliefs.
But just to be clear, did you say what you just said because you don't think Islam is to blame, or because you just think it is pointless to point out the huge 200 foot tall elephant in the room?
Originally posted by Surtur
ISIS doesn't give a shit, they will do what they do either way.We shouldn't hate all Muslims, but we also shouldn't pretend like it's a super small minority of the religion with these beliefs.
But just to be clear, did you say what you just said because you don't think Islam is to blame, or because you just think it is pointless to point out the huge 200 foot tall elephant in the room?
They'll do it a lot easier if more people become radicalised. Discrimination and hate towards Muslims will only push them into a corner and into extreme action.
Lets say Islam is to blame. Whats the next move? Going to war against a religion is a really, really stupid idea. I'm going to assume you're not stupid. So what is your solution now that you've apparently found the source of all the worlds ills? How do we deal with the evil Muslims?
Originally posted by Surtur
ISIS doesn't give a shit, they will do what they do either way.We shouldn't hate all Muslims, but we also shouldn't pretend like it's a super small minority of the religion with these beliefs.
But just to be clear, did you say what you just said because you don't think Islam is to blame, or because you just think it is pointless to point out the huge 200 foot tall elephant in the room?
The 200 foot tall elephant in the room is religion itself. If Islam is delegimitized as a religion, it brings the status of all Abrahamic religions into question. And people are NOT READY for that.