Orlando Terrorist Attack

Originally posted by Surtur
Who said it's the source of all the worlds ills? I never said going we should go to war.

Let me ask you though, do you think if a religion was violent and hateful..I mean you would agree it would be stupid to ignore that, right?

It was a sarcastic exaggeration.

What should we do? Shut down the Mosques? Put them on a watchlist? We should be appealing to the positive members and de-escalating tensions.

Originally posted by Mindset
Ok?

Not sure why you're showing me this.

He's a paranoid lunatic. I mean, TI makes it very hard not to put stock into the absurd cliches about conservatives because he really is every negative one played perfectly straight.

Originally posted by Surtur
Hmm, I know it is a subjective belief. I know this is your opinion, and that is what worries me. You think the mystical adversary of God is behind this.

I agree declaring a war on the entire religion would be problematic. But we can't exactly just bury our heads in the sand either.

This might sound weird, but did you ever watch the Justice League cartoon? Specifically, the episode with the evil Justice Lords. At the end the league can't figure out how to beat the evil versions of themselves. Not without killing, and Superman says they won't cross that line. Batman then says that if they want to win they need to cross SOME kind of line. I guess that is how I feel here. We can't defeat something like this by just..doing everything by the book.

Indeed. The age old question: how do we fight monsters without becoming monsters ourselves?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Well we were founded on Godly values, its on our money, in our national anthem, pledge. So, yes I would say we are a Christian nation.

The word "God" was added to the US paper money in 1957

The anthem was adopted in 1931

The current pledge with the word "God" in it was adopted in 1954

Originally posted by Nephthys
It was a sarcastic exaggeration.

What should we do? Shut down the Mosques? Put them on a watchlist? We should be appealing to the positive members and de-escalating tensions.

He's a paranoid lunatic. I mean, TI makes it very hard not to put stock into the absurd cliches about conservatives because he really is every negative one played perfectly straight.

I never said those things, dummy.

Just because the word "God" is in our national quotes, doesn't make us Christian. Is Jesus Christ himself named anywhere, because if not, "God" could be referring to any religion. Is Jesus himself mentioned anywhere?

Originally posted by Bardock42
The word "God" was added to the US paper money in 1957

The anthem was adopted in 1931

The current pledge with the word "God" in it was adopted in 1954

Nice sharpshooting on dates, means nothing, the country was founded on God.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Just because the word "God" is in our national quotes, doesn't make us Christian. Is Jesus Christ himself named anywhere, because if not, "God" could be referring to any religion. Is Jesus himself mentioned anywhere?

Actually the Bible has Jesus and God in the trinity as one. It is later told that Jesus is God, they are one in the same. The Holy Trinity. 3 in 1.

Even says in the beginning was the Word and the Word was God

John 1:1

Jesus is the Word in the Bible. So he always existed, he created everything.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Just because the word "God" is in our national quotes, doesn't make us Christian. Is Jesus Christ himself named anywhere, because if not, "God" could be referring to any religion. Is Jesus himself mentioned anywhere?

There seems to have been a time that the United States prided itself on being a nation of multiple faiths and cultures, with both protection for Religions and from Religions built into its very foundation.

Originally posted by Bardock42
There seems to have been a time that the United States prided itself on being a nation of multiple faiths and cultures, with both protection for Religions and from Religions built into its very foundation.

There seems to have been a time that German was controlled by Nazi's, things change.

So "God", a ubiquitous all-inclusive term is used for the Supreme Being of all religions, was used, but Jesus Christ, of the specific religion Christianity, was not. It seems the intention was clear to keep religion and politics separate so that politics did not support any one religion over another, thus creating a theocracy. This is why the terminology is so vague.

I don't think it has changed that much. I think a lot of Americans still appreciate this great aspect of the United States, and strive to have it continue.

Originally posted by Bardock42
There seems to have been a time that the United States prided itself on being a nation of multiple faiths and cultures, with both protection for Religions and from Religions built into its very foundation.

Originally posted by Lestov16
So "God", a ubiquitous all-inclusive term is used for the Supreme Being of all religions, was used, but Jesus Christ, of the specific religion Christianity, was not. It seems the intention was clear to keep religion and politics separate so that politics did not support any one religion over another, thus creating a theocracy. This is why the terminology is so vague.

Different forms of Christianity make up a more then 50% of the country.

Lets look somewhere else, would it be right to say Saudi Arabia is not an Islamic country because not everyone is Muslim?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
There seems to have been a time that German was controlled by Nazi's, things change.

What do you mean by this in regards to American religious tolerance?

Originally posted by Mindset
Thank God we've changed from that.

Thank God we got rid of those stinking Nazis.

Originally posted by Bardock42
There seems to have been a time that the United States prided itself on being a nation of multiple faiths and cultures, with both protection for Religions and from Religions built into its very foundation.

The laws and aspect hasn't really changed, it's the people that's change.

In the US you can practice any faith you desires, but there is a limit. That limit is when you're killing innocents because they don't follow you're views and you're screaming doing it in the name of you're God.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Different forms of Christianity make up a more then 50% of the country. It would be like saying Saudi Arabia is not an Islamic country because not everyone is Muslim?

Saudi Arabia is an Islamic country because it's government is an Islamic theocracy. They don't have the religious freedoms we do here. If our country was run by Oliver Cromwell, then yes, it would be a Christian nation.

We are not one nation under Christ. We are one nation under God. Christians interpret that God to be Jesus, Muslims interpret him as Allah, Hindus as Brahma, atheists interpret there to be no God, etc. Either way, no religion is meant to take precedence over another. That is why America has freedom of religion. Hell, America was founded because of freedom of religion.

I guess its a point of view then if we are a Christian nation or not. I would have to agree we probably are not anymore. This country has been over run by ideologies.

Anyways, lets get back on the topic.

So the wife went to scope out the club with the husband. Omar Mateen might have had some questionable gay things, but there is no proof that he was gay. Regardless it does not matter if he was or what not.

Did we talk about the sexual proclivities of Hitler or Stalin, we really didn't. So this gay thing is just a distraction. I find it interesting that people want to blame this on him being gay, and not him admitting he was a follower of Al Bagdadi.

What we do know is this was pre meditated, he planned this event with his wife, he had training from the government contractor he worked for. We do know that he was making fun of 911 planes crashing on the day it happened. We do know he was making radical bigotry statements at work to his co workers, and the contractor would not fire him due to being Muslim.

Muslims view killing gays as a mercy killing, not a hate crime. They view killing gays as something good that needs to happen, they view it as an act of compassion. So this "hate crime" thing is out of the window.

This was Islamic Terrorism.

Homophobia definitely played a part, possibly even a predominant part in this attack. Omar was gay, his dad was a homophobic Islamic radical, and then Omar commits a homophobic Islamic attack not just against any public venue, but a gay club. Then after the attack, his father still condemns homosexuals. Homophobia is definitely involved.