Orlando Terrorist Attack

Originally posted by Nephthys
They'll do it a lot easier if more people become radicalised. Discrimination and hate towards Muslims will only push them into a corner and into extreme action.

Lets say Islam is to blame. Whats the next move? Going to war against a religion is a really, really stupid idea. I'm going to assume you're not stupid. So what is your solution now that you've apparently found the source of all the worlds ills? How do we deal with the evil Muslims?

Who said it's the source of all the worlds ills? I never said going we should go to war.

Let me ask you though, do you think if a religion was violent and hateful..I mean you would agree it would be stupid to ignore that, right?

So this guy was just a self-hating homo smh...

Originally posted by Lestov16
The 200 foot tall elephant in the room is religion itself. If Islam is delegimitized as a religion, it brings the status of all Abrahamic religions into question. And people are NOT READY for that.

But why would anyone do that when religion is as much or even less responsible for mass murder than dictators and their political ideologies?

Originally posted by Lestov16
I've always been of the belief that the Abrahamic religions were creations of the devil to corrupt God's message and see discord between men. I view Zoroastrianism as the true religion.

Just how I be

So what what Islam created for in your opinion? Seems to me it was created by a madman hell bent on taking over the world.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm not sure what blaming Islam is supposed to accomplish tbh. Discriminating against and spreading hatred for Muslims is exactly what ISIS wants to happen.

you must be joking

'The West Vs Islam' is exactly the kind of scenario groups like ISIS want, it helps recruitment to their cause.

All the Abrahamic religions are devil-sent IMO. I mean think about it. Abraham was best known for willing to sacrifice his kid for no reason other than God said. Kim Davis's homophobia, sharia law, terrorism, it all goes back to Abraham setting the precedent that any act, no matter how morally despicable, even killing your own son, is justifiable if one believes it is mandated by God. Satan's ultimate trick is exploiting faith in God. And he used the Abrahamic religions to do it. IMO anyways.

Interesting,

So Obama said ISIS is a perversion of Islam, so how does he know this if he is not Muslim?

Originally posted by Lestov16
All the Abrahamic religions are devil-sent IMO. I mean think about it. Abraham was best known for willing to sacrifice his kid for no reason other than God said. Kim Davis's homophobia, sharia law, terrorism, it all goes back to Abraham setting the precedent that any act, no matter how morally despicable, even killing your own son, is justifiable if one believes it is mandated by God. Satan's ultimate trick is exploiting faith in God. And he used the Abrahamic religions to do it. IMO anyways.

Yea going to have to disagree with you here. If your argument is "it must be satan or at least not God because it makes no sense to me", it's one of ignorance.

Originally posted by Lestov16
All the Abrahamic religions are devil-sent IMO. I mean think about it. Abraham was best known for willing to sacrifice his kid for no reason other than God said. Kim Davis's homophobia, sharia law, terrorism, it all goes back to Abraham setting the precedent that any act, no matter how morally despicable, even killing your own son, is justifiable if one believes it is mandated by God. Satan's ultimate trick is exploiting faith in God. And he used the Abrahamic religions to do it. IMO anyways.

You realize it's hard to take you seriously when you pull the Satan angle?

Just blame magic. That is what you really mean, magic did this.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Interesting,

So Obama said ISIS is a perversion of Islam, so how does he know this if he is not Muslim?

Obama is the king of the Muslims though, wouldn't be surprised if he created the religion.

Originally posted by Mindset
There are atheist who have read religious texts; they would know the principles even if they didn't believe in anything.

Obama is the king of the Muslims though, wouldn't be surprised if he created the religion.

“The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam”-BO

“The sweetest sound I know is the Muslim call to prayer”-BO

“We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world — including in my own country.”-BO

“we will encourage more Americans to study in Muslim communities”-BO

“We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation.”-BO

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
“The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam”-BO

“The sweetest sound I know is the Muslim call to prayer”-BO

“We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world — including in my own country.”-BO

“we will encourage more Americans to study in Muslim communities”-BO

“We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation.”-BO

Not sure why you're showing me this.

Originally posted by Surtur
You realize it's hard to take you seriously when you pull the Satan angle?

Just blame magic. That is what you really mean, magic did this.

That's just a subjective belief, just as everyone is entitled to their own religion. That's kinda what IMO means.

What is a fact though is that the U.S. Government declaring an official war on Islam will lead to 1/4 of the global population opposing us and hitting us with unprecedented amounts of terrorism, not to mention international scorn for violating constitutional freedoms. So no, declaring war on Islam isn't the answer.

Originally posted by Mindset
Ok?

Not sure why you're showing me this.

You said he was the king of muslims, I was showing you that you are correct.

TI, do you see America as a "Christian nation?"

Originally posted by Lestov16
That's just a subjective belief, just as everyone is entitled to their own religion. That's kinda what IMO means.

Hmm, I know it is a subjective belief. I know this is your opinion, and that is what worries me. You think the mystical adversary of God is behind this.

What is a fact though is that the U.S. Government declaring an official war on Islam will lead to 1/4 of the global population opposing us and hitting us with unprecedented amounts of terrorism, not to mention international scorn for violating constitutional freedoms. So no, declaring war on Islam isn't the answer.

I agree declaring a war on the entire religion would be problematic. But we can't exactly just bury our heads in the sand either.

This might sound weird, but did you ever watch the Justice League cartoon? Specifically, the episode with the evil Justice Lords. At the end the league can't figure out how to beat the evil versions of themselves. Not without killing, and Superman says they won't cross that line. Batman then says that if they want to win they need to cross SOME kind of line. I guess that is how I feel here. We can't defeat something like this by just..doing everything by the book.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
You said he was the king of muslims, I was showing you that you are correct.

Well we were founded on Godly values, its on our money, in our national anthem, pledge. So, yes I would say we are a Christian nation.

Originally posted by Surtur
Hmm, I know it is a subjective belief. I know this is your opinion, and that is what worries me. You think the mystical adversary of God is behind this.

I agree declaring a war on the entire religion would be problematic. But we can't exactly just bury our heads in the sand either.

Again, my subjective metaphysical belief is just that, subjective. What I think doesn't interfere with the facts of the matter, which is that war on Islam can not be declared unless we want mass chaos.

We can't bury our heads in the sand either, but if we can't declare war on Islam, what do we do? That's the problem here. It's a practically inextricable quagmire.