Originally posted by "Id"
You know what Zack? Why don't you drop us your dc knowledge on us and compile a full list before anyone else...
1. Hal
2. Alan
3. Guy
4. John
5. Sodam
Here is my list. I'm sure some of the Lanterns can be flip-flopped based on personal opinion and such, but whatevs.... I had fun putting this together. 😄
1.) Zero Hour Parallax - possessed the totality of the 'classic' CB's energies + residual energy he absorbed from the events of COIE. He inadvertently created/destroyed multiple timelines during his tirade, before destroying the 'prime' timeline/universe in its entirety. He then began recreating the prime universe anew in his own image, before he was ultimately stopped by Corrigan-Spectre along with a laundry list of additional plot-device characters. He was well beyond universal.
2.) White Lantern Kyle (peak) - after merging with ALL of the emotional entities, he was able to transcend the Source Wall, and use said energy to renew/restore the entire universe, thereby saving it from imminent destruction/collapse. He was definitively universal.
3.) God of Light Hal - his power was almost exclusively statement/accolade-based. However, the Mother Box merged him with the totality of the CB's energies, which would have theoretically given him absolute mastery over said power. He also had complete control of the Mother Box/Ring itself, which Johns(and various other writers) have portrayed as abstract-esque tech all by itself. He appeared to be universal.
4.) Ion I - possessed the totality of the 'classic' CB's energies, and among many other feats, the ability to restructure the universe/timeline to his whim(confirmed by Spectre.) He appeared to be universal.
5.) Volthoom - the first ever Lantern, created billionS of years ago. Had mastery of all the emotional energy in the spectrum. Was capable of generating new timelines for specific characters at less that full power. He was beyond EVERY Lantern Corps(inc. the Guardians), and required direct intervention from Nekron himself to finally be destroyed--and that was after Black Lantern Hal absorbed the entirety of his energy. Anyway, Volthoom could have remade the entire universe at his peak, but he never quite got there. He was sub-universal, with the ability to become fully universal.
6.) White Lantern Sinestro - was able to give Nekron a great fight in the [albeit brief] time he wielded the White Light. His upper-limits were undefined.
7.) Hal /w/ Krona's Gauntlet - his power was originally likened to a dozen GL rings. However, the Gauntlet has since transformed Hal into a construct comprised of pure, unharnessed thought/expression/will. In this 'form', he proved to be > an alternate-universe version of himself(ie. Parallax), who was stated to wield the power of his universe's CB. His upper-limits weren't fully defined before he seemingly shed that form in the recent Hal Jordan/GLC: Rebirth issue.
8.) Larfleeze - he alone wields the power of an entire Corps, and in fact, has literally become an organic Battery for the Orange Light itself. Moreover, his Battery contains FAR more energy than all of the other Corps, because he has conserved it for billionS of years, whereas the other Corps have continuously squandered their Light(s) on various tasks over the eons. His upper-limits are undefined.
9.) Sinestrollax - merged with the Parallax entity itself, and appeared to have full control over it. His upper-limits were undefined.
10.) Ion II - had a direct link to the CB + the entirety of the Starheart, after absorbing it from Jade in the wake of her death. His upper-limits were undefined.
11.) Mogo - given that he is a friggin planet, Mogo has always proven himself to be an absolute BEAST, of whom is typically portrayed well beyond the other Lanterns... Him killing of thousandS of Black Lanterns was certainly indicative of such. I just had to include him, lol.
*My list excludes true 'dues ex' characters, such as:
-Peak Johns-era Hal, who is a bonafide abstract-buster when needed.
-Black Hand /w/ Ring, given that he can absorb ALL emotional energy--this potentially enables him to trump the entire emotional spectrum.
-Guardians, because they aren't Lanterns in the typical sense.
Originally posted by Galan007
Here is my list. I'm sure some of the Lanterns can be flip-flopped based on personal opinion and such, but whatevs.... I had fun putting this together. 😄1.) Zero Hour Parallax - possessed the totality of the 'classic' CB's energies + residual energy he absorbed from the events of COIE. He inadvertently created/destroyed multiple timelines during his tirade, before destroying the 'prime' timeline/universe in its entirety. He then began recreating the prime universe anew in his own image, before he was ultimately stopped by Corrigan-Spectre along with a laundry list of additional plot-device characters. He was well beyond universal.
2.) White Lantern Kyle (peak) - after merging with ALL of the emotional entities, he was able to transcend the Source Wall, and use said energy to renew/restore the entire universe, thereby saving it from imminent destruction/collapse. He was definitively universal.
3.) God of Light Hal - his power was almost exclusively statement/accolade-based. However, the Mother Box merged him with the totality of the CB's energies, which would have theoretically given him absolute mastery over said power. He also had complete control of the Mother Box/Ring itself, which Johns(and various other writers) have portrayed as abstract-esque tech all by itself. He appeared to be universal.
4.) Ion I - possessed the totality of the 'classic' CB's energies, and among many other feats, the ability to restructure the universe/timeline to his whim(confirmed by Spectre.) He appeared to be universal.
5.) Volthoom - the first ever Lantern, created billionS of years ago. Had mastery of all the emotional energy in the spectrum. Was capable of generating new timelines for specific characters at less that full power. He was beyond EVERY Lantern Corps(inc. the Guardians), and required direct intervention from Nekron himself to finally be destroyed--and that was after Black Lantern Hal absorbed the entirety of his energy. Anyway, Volthoom could have remade the entire universe at his peak, but he never quite got there. He was sub-universal, with the ability to become fully universal.
6.) White Lantern Sinestro - was able to give Nekron a great fight in the [albeit brief] time he wielded the White Light. His upper-limits were undefined.
7.) Hal /w/ Krona's Gauntlet - his power was originally likened to a dozen GL rings. However, the Gauntlet has since transformed Hal into a construct comprised of pure, unharnessed thought/expression/will. In this 'form', he proved to be > an alternate-universe version of himself(ie. Parallax), who was stated to wield the power of his universe's CB. His upper-limits weren't fully defined before he seemingly shed that form in the recent Hal Jordan/GLC: Rebirth issue.
8.) Larfleeze - he alone wields the power of an entire Corps, and in fact, has literally become an organic Battery for the Orange Light itself. Moreover, his Battery contains FAR more energy than all of the other Corps, because he has conserved it for billionS of years, whereas the other Corps have continuously squandered their Light(s) on various tasks over the eons. His upper-limits are undefined.
9.) Sinestrollax - merged with the Parallax entity itself, and appeared to have full control over it. His upper-limits were undefined.
10.) Ion II - had a direct link to the CB + the entirety of the Starheart, after absorbing it from Jade in the wake of her death. His upper-limits were undefined.
11.) Mogo - given that he is a friggin planet, Mogo has always proven himself to be an absolute BEAST, of whom is typically portrayed well beyond the other Lanterns... Him killing of thousandS of Black Lanterns was certainly indicative of such. I just had to include him, lol.
*My list excludes true 'dues ex' characters, such as:
-Peak Johns-era Hal, who is a bonafide abstract-buster when needed.
-Black Hand /w/ Ring, given that he can absorb ALL emotional energy--this potentially enables him to trump the entire emotional spectrum.
-Guardians, because they aren't Lanterns in the typical sense.
👆 Nice list.
Originally posted by Galan007This is a serious stretch, IMO.
2.) White Lantern Kyle (peak) - after merging with ALL of the emotional entities, he was able to transcend the Source Wall, and use said energy to renew/restore the entire universe, thereby saving it from imminent destruction/collapse. He was definitively universal.
I mean, yeah, what you mentioned happened. He breached the Source Wall (a task that seems to be much easier nowadays than it used to be) and replenished the emotional reservoir, thereby saving the universe from an untimely death.
However, the power that he displayed was not universal. He wasn't even implied to be capable of (at least universal level) reality warping that GoL Hal and Ion I were said to be casually capable of.
Meh
Originally posted by Cogito
This is a serious stretch, IMO.I mean, yeah, what you mentioned happened. He breached the Source Wall (a task that seems to be much easier nowadays than it used to be) and replenished the emotional reservoir, thereby saving the universe from an untimely death.
However, the power that he displayed was not universal. He wasn't even implied to be capable of (at least universal level) reality warping that GoL Hal and Ion I were said to be casually capable of.
Meh
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Originally posted by CogitoI'm not stretching his power at all. Kyle was not only *implied* to be universal, but actually *displayed* full-on universal power by restoring the universe's [overtly depleted] energies, thereby saving it from utter destruction... And he also returned from beyond the Source Wall, but that's another feat entirely.
This is a serious stretch, IMO.I mean, yeah, what you mentioned happened. He breached the Source Wall (a task that seems to be much easier nowadays than it used to be) and replenished the emotional reservoir, thereby saving the universe from an untimely death.
However, the power that he displayed was not universal. He wasn't even implied to be capable of (at least universal level) reality warping that GoL Hal and Ion I were said to be casually capable of.
Meh
And again: I'm talking about *peak* WL Kyle -- after merging with ALL of the entities..
Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not stretching his power at all. Kyle was not only *implied* to be universal, but actually *displayed* full-on universal power by restoring the universe's [overtly depleted] energies, thereby saving it from utter destruction... And he also returned from beyond the Source Wall, but that's another feat entirely.And again: I'm talking about *peak* WL Kyle -- after merging with ALL of the entities..
I understand your point, and I would just be bumping that version of Kyle down to #4 and moving current 3-4 up.
For me, I'd need to see more direct proof that he restored all of the universes dying energies in full rather than a portion of the universes energies without which the universe could not continue surviving.
i.e. he restored the emotional spectrum, but he did not create/manipulate the stars and galaxies, life, abstract concepts, etc. Therefore what he did was, to me, sub-universal in nature as he neither created nor destroyed a universe in full.
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Originally posted by CogitoWell, I do have to disagree.
I understand your point, and I would just be bumping that version of Kyle down to #4 and moving current 3-4 up.For me, I'd need to see more direct proof that he restored all of the universes dying energies in full rather than a portion of the universes energies without which the universe could not continue surviving.
i.e. he restored the emotional spectrum, but he did not create/manipulate the stars and galaxies, life, abstract concepts, etc. Therefore what he did was, to me, sub-universal in nature as he neither created nor destroyed a universe in full.
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When the emotional reservoir in Relic's previous universe was depleted, the entire universe collapsed into a void of nothingness:
http://i.imgur.com/H3LFKF5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Zb8KuAT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FLCr2T6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lr11YUW.jpg
That's how Relic knew what would happen if the emotional reservoir in the current DCU would have depleted(which was dangerously close to happening.) He specifically noted that the emotional reservoir "powers creation":
http://i.imgur.com/jE2ENlx.jpg
That's why the Guardians themselves stated: "to tamper with the Entities is to tamper with reality itself!":
http://i.imgur.com/kTampZd.jpg
So when WL Kyle transcended the Source Wall and refilled the emotional reservoir, he prevented the utter destruction/nullification/collapse of his entire universe, by essentially repowering/recharging the whole of creation(stars, galaxies, abstract concepts and all). That is undoubtedly a universal feat.
Originally posted by Galan007
Well, I do have to disagree.When the emotional reservoir in Relic's previous universe was depleted, the entire universe collapsed into a void of nothingness:
http://i.imgur.com/H3LFKF5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Zb8KuAT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FLCr2T6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lr11YUW.jpgThat's how Relic knew what would happen if the emotional reservoir in the current DCU would have depleted(which was dangerously close to happening.) He specifically noted that the emotional reservoir "powers creation":
http://i.imgur.com/jE2ENlx.jpgThat's why the Guardians themselves stated: "to tamper with the Entities is to tamper with reality itself!":
http://i.imgur.com/kTampZd.jpgSo when WL Kyle transcended the Source Wall and refilled the emotional reservoir, he prevented the utter destruction/nullification/collapse of his entire universe, by essentially repowering/recharging the whole of creation(stars, galaxies, abstract concepts and all). That is undoubtedly a universal feat.
A well of power, perhaps, but no control. No reality manipulation, no time manipulation, no indication of the ability to do anything of the sort.
I can't justify putting that above GoL or Ion I personally 😬
Originally posted by abhilegend"Universe"(in the singular sense) is how creation -both past and current- was described in that arc. I don't think the writer's intent was for the story to be multiversal in scope. That wasn't mentioned anywhere that I can recall.
It will make emotional entities pretty much abstracts in power and we can't have that, can we?And the entire creation crumbled after the reservoir was drained. Not just one universe.
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Did I miss something, though? Honest question. If so, WL Kyle would certainly bump up a few slots on my list. 😛
Originally posted by CogitoGiven that Kyle repowered the entirety of creation, he technically did manipulate all of those concepts. 😛
A well of power, perhaps, but no control. No reality manipulation, no time manipulation, no indication of the ability to do anything of the sort.I can't justify putting that above GoL or Ion I personally 😬
My justification is feats. Ion I and GoL Hal only ever *talked* about their ability to operate on a universal scale. WL Kyle, however, actually *did* so on panel.
Originally posted by Galan007
"Universe"(in the singular sense) is how creation -both past and current- was described in that arc. I don't think the writer's intent was for the story to be multiversal in scope. That wasn't mentioned anywhere that I can recall.Did I miss something, though? Honest question. If so, WL Kyle would certainly bump up a few slots on my list. 😛
Given that Kyle repowered the entirety of creation, he technically did manipulate all of those concepts. 😛
My justification is feats. Ion I and GoL Hal only ever *talked* about their ability to operate on a universal scale. WL Kyle, however, actually *did* so on panel.
Just the fact that he was powerful enough to repower the creation is a testament to his power.
Originally posted by Cogito
A well of power, perhaps, but no control. No reality manipulation, no time manipulation, no indication of the ability to do anything of the sort.I can't justify putting that above GoL or Ion I personally 😬
Yet, they slaughtered every cosmic abstract out there. With fanciful versatility feats.
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Originally posted by Galan007
Given that Kyle repowered the entirety of creation, he technically did manipulate all of those concepts. 😛My justification is feats. Ion I only ever *talked* about his ability to operate on a universal scale. WL Kyle, however, actually *did* so on panel.
He had power, but didn't use it. Others have held comparable power or signficant components of that power and been far below universal level.
Even though Ion I didn't perform universal reality manipulation, I do believe he could because Hal-Spectre said he could easily. To me, if you have a guy who has experience with the same power and the cosmic awareness of the Spectre vouching for your power, that's more or less the same as displaying it on panel.
Originally posted by abhilegendBut the Beyonders did that, and Kyle didn't do anything except dump the entities on the other side of the wall.
In that league, only power matters. Beyonders literally couldn't control time.Yet, they slaughtered every cosmic abstract out there. With fanciful versatility feats.
Originally posted by Cogito
He had power, but didn't use it. Others have held comparable power or signficant components of that power and been far below universal level.Even though Ion I didn't perform universal reality manipulation, I do believe he could because Hal-Spectre said he could easily. To me, if you have a guy who has experience with the same power and the cosmic awareness of the Spectre vouching for your power, that's more or less the same as displaying it on panel.
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I like how statements now supersede actual feats.
While Ganthet being stated to be near Spectre level in power is dismissed as hyperbole.
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Originally posted by Cogito
But the Beyonders did that, and Kyle didn't do anything except dump the entities on the other side of the wall.
It's pretty much the best feat out there. Tell me how many characters can basically repower entire creation? You have to go to the level of Michael Demiurgos to find a better feat.
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Parallax alone was beating the shit out of Spectre.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I like how statements now supersede actual feats.
Originally posted by abhilegend
While Ganthet being stated to be near Spectre level in power is dismissed as hyperbole.
Gotta consider the source and contradicting evidence. Ganthet has ton's of feats to show he's well below Spectre, and the only statements are self-congratulatory. Anyways, I'm not getting into that argument again.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And fill the reservoir of creation.It's pretty much the best feat out there. Tell me how many characters can basically repower entire creation? You have to go to the level of Michael Demiurgos to find a better feat.
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Anyone who's ever created a universe has the power to empower a universe.
That's a "duh" statement right there 👆
