Name the Top 10 Most Lanterns - Any Color

Originally posted by abhilegend
Just the fact that he was powerful enough to repower the creation is a testament to his power.

Originally posted by Cogito
Even though Ion I didn't perform universal reality manipulation, I do believe he could because Hal-Spectre said he could easily. To me, if you have a guy who has experience with the same power and the cosmic awareness of the Spectre vouching for your power, that's more or less the same as displaying it on panel.

*That's why I specifically mentioned this scene in my original list.

However, talking about doing something still isn't the same as actually doing it. Ion I and GoL Hal *talked*. WL Kyle *did*. Aside from that, transcending the Source Wall, and repowering/recharging the whole of creation, just isn't a feat I think Ion I or GoL could have accomplished... They simply didn't have enough power, imo.

...Hence why I personally believe *peak* WL Kyle is >.

^ Do you believe WL Kyle to be capable of reality manipulation? Time manipulation? Anything manipulation?

Because Krona with all the entities was not. Nor has any host of any of the individual entities. In the Johns-era of entities, none have ever even implied such feats.

That's why I can't justify putting him above.

Originally posted by Cogito
You mean the one panel of almost nothing happening before the Spectre was recalled by the Presence?

No,Parallax pretty much taking over Spectre and then literally beating the shit out of him in GL 51.

When given by the right source, sure they're valid. Why do we know Lucifer > Death of the Endless? Because Death said so, not because of any contest of feats. Why do we know Ion I's power? Because the Spectre said so. Good enough for me 👆

But that is always below actual feats.

Gotta consider the source and contradicting evidence. Ganthet has ton's of feats to show he's well below Spectre, and the only statements are self-congratulatory. Anyways, I'm not getting into that argument again.

Haha, yeah that's just lulzworthy.

By all rights Ion II was more powerful than Ion I per statements.

That must be false as well.

Only ones which suit your agenda are true.

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Originally posted by Cogito
Anyone who's ever created a universe has the power to empower a universe.

That's a "duh" statement right there 👆

Humor me.

Originally posted by Cogito
^ Do you believe WL Kyle to be capable of reality manipulation? Time manipulation? Anything manipulation?

Because Krona with all the entities was not. Nor has any host of any of the individual entities. In the Johns-era of entities, none have ever even implied such feats.

That's why I can't justify putting him above.

Yes, they can power manipulate.

You're acting like versatility is power. It isn't.

Spectre can do everything you mentioned. Yet Parallax was stove him.

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Abhi, I'm just going to ignore you for now. Your debates are tiring, senseless, and often off-topic.

I'd rather just stick to a civilized debate with Galan on this on if you don't mind 👆

Concession accepted. Pretend Emotional Entities are Silver Surfer level because he can time travel and they can't!!!!!

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But me talking about GL related topics are off topic.

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Originally posted by Cogito
^ Do you believe WL Kyle to be capable of reality manipulation? Time manipulation? Anything manipulation?

Because Krona with all the entities was not. Nor has any host of any of the individual entities. In the Johns-era of entities, none have ever even implied such feats.

Remember Volthoom? It was his power over the entire emotional spectrum that allowed him to manipulate time/reality, and very nearly succeed in remaking the universe... And he could just tap-into said energy.

WL Kyle literally *was* the emotional reservoir in its entirety. He was essentially Volthoom on cosmic/abstract steroids.

Originally posted by Galan007
I absolutely believe such feats were within his 'scope'.

Remember Volthoom? It was his power over the entire emotional spectrum that allowed him to manipulate time/reality, and very nearly succeed in remaking the universe... And he could just tap-into said energy.

WL Kyle literally *was* the emotional reservoir in its entirety. He was essentially Volthoom on cosmic/abstract steroids.

Agree to disagree.

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Originally posted by Cogito
Krona had ample time/desire to do such things with comparable power, and didn't even try, so I struggle to so easily assume that he could.

Agree to disagree.

He also stuffed Parallax back into the GL Central Battery, which corrupted it and transformed nearly all of the GLC into his slaves by proxy... Another insult to the Guardians.

Later in the arc, Krona had a slight change of heart and attempted to transform a few of the key humans into the new Guardians, because he felt them better-suited for the role:
http://i.imgur.com/PDmN6JP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xyE4bCD.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/cpWL2kY.jpg

Krona obviously didn't succeed with the above task, but that's neither here nor there. The point is that his *only* real intent with all that power was to enact revenge on the Guardians... Which is a totally different agenda than, say, Volthoom, whose primary goal *was* to f*ck with time/reality, and ultimately remake the entire universe.

Regardless, I definitely think it was within Krona's ability to manipulate reality on a universal scale, had he actually wanted to use the power of the entities in such a manner. Volthoom's abilities/feats with [a much smaller portion of] the emotional energies tells us that much, imo.

And Highfather flat out said that the light spectrum was the most powerful source of power in multiverse.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-POCg3MFYgGw/VDC-D2mYupI/AAAAAAAFIs4/29KI8pwvFsQ/s1600/p16_13%2Bcopy.jpg

So the writer considered the creation multiverse after all.

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Originally posted by abhilegend
And Highfather flat out said that the light spectrum was the most powerful source of power in multiverse.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-POCg3MFYgGw/VDC-D2mYupI/AAAAAAAFIs4/29KI8pwvFsQ/s1600/p16_13%2Bcopy.jpg

So the writer considered the creation multiverse after all.

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It was made clear during Godhead that the WL energies = the Life Equation = the most powerful force in the multiverse. After acquiring said power from Kyle, Highfather was confident that he'd be able to easily steamroll Darkseid+Apokolips, thereby saving the multiverse from his rule(and we saw how powerful DCnU Darkseid was during the events of Darkseid War.) Furthermore, Highfather stated that he planned on using the White Light/Life Equation to recreate the entire mainstream DC universe in his image.

Anywho, it was still stated that WL Kyle 'only' restored the energies of his particular universe, so I wouldn't feel comfortable crediting him with more than a universal feat. The power at his disposal was absolutely massive, though... Especially when it can leave even the figurehead New God(s) awestruck.

Originally posted by Galan007
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It was made clear during Godhead that the WL energies = the Life Equation = the most powerful force in the multiverse. After acquiring said power from Kyle, Highfather was confident that he'd be able to easily steamroll Darkseid+Apokolips, thereby saving the multiverse from his rule(and we saw how powerful DCnU Darkseid was during the events of Darkseid War.) Furthermore, Highfather stated that he planned on using the White Light/Life Equation to recreate the entire mainstream DC universe in his image.

Anywho, it was still stated that WL Kyle 'only' restored the energies of his particular universe, so I wouldn't feel comfortable crediting him with more than a universal feat. The power at his disposal was absolutely massive, though... Especially when it can leave even the figurehead New God(s) awestruck.

Yeah, further reading, Highfather stated that Kyle restored the reservoir of this universe.

I'm not attempting to diminish WL Kyle's feat (well, maybe I am a little), but I just think Ion I was capable of greater. I think the difference between Ion I and ZH Parallax was meant to be very minimal.

Originally posted by Cogito
I'm not attempting to diminish WL Kyle's feat (well, maybe I am a little), but I just think Ion I was capable of greater. I think the difference between Ion I and ZH Parallax was meant to be very minimal.

ZH Parallax was Parallax entity+CPB+Time Trapper's power+Left over power from COIE.

He was far more powerful than Ion.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Based on?

ZH Parallax was Parallax entity+CPB+Time Trapper's power+Left over power from COIE.

He was far more powerful than Ion.

Parallax entity was not a fleshed out idea then. It wasn't an entity that contributed power until later.

And why do I think they're comparable? Because Ion and Hal-Spectre were clearly in agreement that Ion could easily do what ZH Parallax was trying to do. The caveat here is that Ion was not even thinking about affecting more than the one universe whereas Parallax was clearly multiversal.

Originally posted by Cogito
Parallax entity was not a fleshed out idea then. It wasn't an entity that contributed power until later.

And why do I think they're comparable? Because Ion and Hal-Spectre were clearly in agreement that Ion could easily do what ZH Parallax was trying to do. The caveat here is that Ion was not even thinking about affecting more than the one universe whereas Parallax was clearly multiversal.

Yes, all statements and nothing of substance. There are also statements that Ion II was more powerful than Ion I.

ZH Parallax himself was beaten back by Krona Gauntlet Hal.

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And in Final Night, ZH Parallax died expending all of his energies to reignite the sun. What's your point?

Originally posted by Cogito
And in Final Night, ZH Parallax died expending all of his energies to reignite the sun. What's your point?

Parallax only had the last bit of his power and the power of Ganthet he had absorbed which he sacrificed igniting the sun.

And that was revealed a fraction of Guardians' power. The power then went into Ion and Tom Kalmaaku used the remaining power to recreate Oa.

The chronology is a bit fuzzy as always.