Originally posted by RangerDX
1) Hand of God Ion
2) Zero Hour Parallax
3) White Lantern Kyle
4) God of Light Hal
5) White Lantern Sinestrothe rest....
Hand of God Ion is greater than Parallax. He had the combined power of
Parallax (pre retcon)
original Oans minus Ganthet
Central Power Battery of Oa
Classic Oblivion who was a monster (curbstomped the JL + numerous high level backups, created a red sun that nearly killed Supes, one shot Wonder Woman, was feeding off dark matter to the point where the universe was gonna collapse, powerful mind****ery on a plantery level at the very least with the battery causing everyone on the planet into mass hysteria, controlled an Elemental effortlessly, tanked Martian Vision, Heat vision, JLA beam w/o a scratch, no sold a Supes blitz etc) and every GL power ring in existence. He essentially had all the power of ZH Parallax and then some and he was also omnipresent at least within a universal scale.
Ion only absorbed the power of CPB left in the sun by Parallax when he reignited the sin.
Ion was never more powerful than ZH Parallax.
Originally posted by Galan007
But Ion I never did 'casually' manipulate reality, though. He just talked about his ability to do so. WL Kyle actually renewed the fundamental fabric of creation, AND had the complete power of EVERY emotional entity/spectrum.I really see no way Ion I would beat him in a battle, tbh... Especially considering they are the same person, thus their wills are obviously equal. WL Kyle just has WAAAY more power under his control, imo.
All of the Guardians(save Ganthet and Krona) purged themselves of all emotion billions of years ago, because they thought the emotional spectrum/energy was dangerous. Volthoom then absorbed that cumulative emotional energy:
http://i.imgur.com/9ZwPru3.jpgHeck, the Guardians even severed Ganthet's link to the emotional spectrum immediately after the events of War of the Green Lanterns:
http://i.imgur.com/9FjmQB7.jpgThis fact was corroborated by Volthoom:
http://i.imgur.com/c1Je9h1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CCqMzRO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aIoVrNT.jpgSo yeah, Volthoom was essentially all of the Guardians wrapped up in one -- IF they'd opted to retain their full powers, of course.
I agree, the Guardians would have been never been stopped if Volthoom didn't break out of his cell, when they were using him as their battery. Crazy powerful!
This should be included here...
According to Hal, the power he briefly possessed as the God of Light "almost rivaled" that of the emotional spectrum:
http://i.imgur.com/JjJUCom.jpg
Originally posted by Cogito
^ Do you believe WL Kyle to be capable of reality manipulation? Time manipulation? Anything manipulation?Because Krona with all the entities was not. Nor has any host of any of the individual entities. In the Johns-era of entities, none have ever even implied such feats.
That's why I can't justify putting him above.
Kyle actually did manipulate reality when he re-wrote "Oblivion" (similar to the original oblivion he created but a direct link was never made) when he entered the source wall. It was specifically described as reality warping in fact. It happened in GL: NG annual #2.
Also in Godhead it was stated that he could destroy all universeS and that warping the universe is easy for him. That same arc he defeated the source titans quite easily.
Krona couldn't do anything with the entities because he wasn't their host. He was externally controlling them. Entities need actual hosts to become powerful.
Originally posted by Galan007
Here is my list. I'm sure some of the Lanterns can be flip-flopped based on personal opinion and such, but whatevs.... I had fun putting this together. 😄1.) Zero Hour Parallax - possessed the totality of the 'classic' CB's energies + residual energy he absorbed from the events of COIE. He inadvertently created/destroyed multiple timelines during his tirade, before destroying the 'prime' timeline/universe in its entirety. He then began recreating the prime universe anew in his own image, before he was ultimately stopped by Corrigan-Spectre along with a laundry list of additional plot-device characters. He was well beyond universal.
2.) White Lantern Kyle (peak) - after merging with ALL of the emotional entities, he was able to transcend the Source Wall, and use said energy to renew/restore the entire universe, thereby saving it from imminent destruction/collapse. He was definitively universal.
3.) God of Light Hal - his power was almost exclusively statement/accolade-based. However, the Mother Box merged him with the totality of the CB's energies, which would have theoretically given him absolute mastery over said power. He also had complete control of the Mother Box/Ring itself, which Johns(and various other writers) have portrayed as abstract-esque tech all by itself. He appeared to be universal.
4.) Ion I - possessed the totality of the 'classic' CB's energies, and among many other feats, the ability to restructure the universe/timeline to his whim(confirmed by Spectre.) He appeared to be universal.
5.) Volthoom - the first ever Lantern, created billionS of years ago. Had mastery of all the emotional energy in the spectrum. Was capable of generating new timelines for specific characters at less that full power. He was beyond EVERY Lantern Corps(inc. the Guardians), and required direct intervention from Nekron himself to finally be destroyed--and that was after Black Lantern Hal absorbed the entirety of his energy. Anyway, Volthoom could have remade the entire universe at his peak, but he never quite got there. He was sub-universal, with the ability to become fully universal.
6.) White Lantern Sinestro - was able to give Nekron a great fight in the [albeit brief] time he wielded the White Light. His upper-limits were undefined.
7.) Hal /w/ Krona's Gauntlet - his power was originally likened to a dozen GL rings. However, the Gauntlet has since transformed Hal into a construct comprised of pure, unharnessed thought/expression/will. In this 'form', he proved to be > an alternate-universe version of himself(ie. Parallax), who was stated to wield the power of his universe's CB. His upper-limits weren't fully defined before he seemingly shed that form in the recent Hal Jordan/GLC: Rebirth issue.
8.) Larfleeze - he alone wields the power of an entire Corps, and in fact, has literally become an organic Battery for the Orange Light itself. Moreover, his Battery contains FAR more energy than all of the other Corps, because he has conserved it for billionS of years, whereas the other Corps have continuously squandered their Light(s) on various tasks over the eons. His upper-limits are undefined.
9.) Sinestrollax - merged with the Parallax entity itself, and appeared to have full control over it. His upper-limits were undefined.
10.) Ion II - had a direct link to the CB + the entirety of the Starheart, after absorbing it from Jade in the wake of her death. His upper-limits were undefined.
11.) Mogo - given that he is a friggin planet, Mogo has always proven himself to be an absolute BEAST, of whom is typically portrayed well beyond the other Lanterns... Him killing of thousandS of Black Lanterns was certainly indicative of such. I just had to include him, lol.
*My list excludes true 'dues ex' characters, such as:
-Peak Johns-era Hal, who is a bonafide abstract-buster when needed.
-Black Hand /w/ Ring, given that he can absorb ALL emotional energy--this potentially enables him to trump the entire emotional spectrum.
-Guardians, because they aren't Lanterns in the typical sense.
Great post 👆
Although given your later post on Volthoom, would you put him higher? (peak Volthoom that is).
Originally posted by operator616Oh yes. Peak Volthoom became the Hand of Creation. He became the force that spawned the original multiverse -- the force that spawned the entirety of DC, in fact.
Great post 👆Although given your later post on Volthoom, would you put him higher? (peak Volthoom that is).
That being said, peak Volthoom *should* be comfortably at the top of the list, imo.
Originally posted by hutchy1345
What I don't get is how white lantern Kyle when he absorbed ALL of the emotional entities wasn't god-like and beyond zero hour parallax because let's face it all entities > one entity
But yes I know this is based on feats it was just an observation
Any thoughts?
Logically that makes sense, but Zero Hour happened twenty years ago now and, since then, power levels have taken a step back. Makes sense, because they want to keep using the entities in plot and you can't keep escalating from threats that are already multiversal/major events.
Also, as Galan has pointed out many times, Hal absorbed more energies on the way to becoming "full power" ZH Parallax than just the Central Battery/Parallax entity (which didn't really exist as a concept back then, btw)
Originally posted by hutchy1345Remember, ZH Parallax also commanded other, very powerful/esoteric energies, in addition to those of the CB.
What I don't get is how white lantern Kyle when he absorbed ALL of the emotional entities wasn't god-like and beyond zero hour parallax because let's face it all entities > one entity
But yes I know this is based on feats it was just an observation
Any thoughts?
Aside from that, it just boils down to Johns. He has essentially retconned Lantern continuity into an entire emotional spectrum of different energy, with each color/emotion representing a portion of a greater, fully universal force(ie. the white light.) Back in the days ZH Parallax was running around, GL energy is pretty much all there was on that side of things -- and it was regarded as just about THE most powerful force in existence(hence the levels Parallax was written to.) There simply weren't a slew of other colors/emotions to pull from.
That being said, the white light/energy is currently regarded as the greatest power in the multiverse(even by New Gods), so...
Originally posted by Cogito
Logically that makes sense, but Zero Hour happened twenty years ago now and, since then, power levels have taken a step back. Makes sense, because they want to keep using the entities in plot and you can't keep escalating from threats that are already multiversal/major events.Also, as Galan has pointed out many times, Hal absorbed more energies on the way to becoming "full power" ZH Parallax than just the Central Battery/Parallax entity (which didn't really exist as a concept back then, btw)
Originally posted by hutchy1345
What I don't get is how white lantern Kyle when he absorbed ALL of the emotional entities wasn't god-like and beyond zero hour parallax because let's face it all entities > one entity
But yes I know this is based on feats it was just an observation
Any thoughts?
Because Zero Hour Parallax = Parallax + full CPB + Time Trapper's power + energies from the left overs of COIE.
Although WL Kyle at full potential is about equal to ZHP imo.
Originally posted by Galan007
Oh yes. Peak Volthoom became the Hand of Creation. He became the force that spawned the original multiverse -- the force that spawned the entirety of DC, in fact.That being said, peak Volthoom *should* be comfortably at the top of the list, imo.
this I agree with. isn't white lantern kyle simply harnessing the same power that volthoom has?
I would say
ZH parallax
volthoom
WL Kyle
If we're talking 'peak' Volthoom, he is at the top of the list by a large majority. Remember, he was retconned into DC's Hand of Creation, which not only birthed the infinite multiverse, but also spawned DC's higher-dimensional planes -- ie. the realm of the Old/New Gods:
And as we know, the New God realm is so vast that the entire 3D multiverse is utterly infinitesimal by comparison:
That trumps what ZH Parallax did, tbh.
