Originally posted by The Ellimist
Ziggy, haven't you polluted enough forums with your presence already?
The answer to that question is no. Not nearly enough.
It's not like you present a sufficient intellectual challenge for anyone to actually engage you in conversation, lmao.
Yes I do. Refer to my reply to Zoltan for starters.
Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Ragnos solos via holistic intent
Seeing as how "holistic intent" pens Darth Sidious as "the most powerful Sith Lord in history" (SW insider #86, New Essential Chronology, Vader: The Ultimate Visual Guide) and "the greatest master of evil ever to use sith power" (Complete Visual Dictionary), and also conveniently sidesteps debates over the reliability of the particular narrator to instead focus on the intent of the author - which would not be to make a subtle point about the fallibility of the in-universe historian who wrote the New Essential Chronology, for example - and further handwaved by your own reliance on Luke's word - no, Ragos dies pretty badly to the Sidious in Revenge of the Sith, let alone the Sidious in Dark Empire.
which seems to be a staple argument for Sidious fans.
That, and his vastly superior feats, from mind-wiping populations of trillions to tearing the surfaces off of worlds and swallowing super star destroyers. 👆
Someone who strikes fear in the heart of a post DE Luke and his disciples
And Sidious wouldn't? 😆
It's not like it took every deceased Jedi in history to prevent him from coming back or anything. 🙄
But please, go ahead and hang your entire proverbial hat on the implications of Luke, who has never met Ragnos before, and somehow tie this into his being stronger than Palpatine, above far more concrete accolades putting Palpatine above him.
Kun would probably kill him with a single Force attack (as per his performance in Jedi Academy vs again, a post DE Luke)
You do realize that DE Luke only beat Palpatine in a duel, with the aid of Force harmony from Leia, right?
And Murr would probably beat him via holistic intent also.
Normally I'd assume trolling, but knowing you, this isn't necessarily the case. mmm
Originally posted by The Ellimist
[B]Seeing as how "holistic intent" pens Darth Sidious as "the most powerful Sith Lord in history" (SW insider #86, New Essential Chronology, Vader: The Ultimate Visual Guide) and "the greatest master of evil ever to use sith power" (Complete Visual Dictionary),
Ellimist, baby, you need to calm down. Despite what you may think, I'm really not that scary. We're in midst of foreplay right now, and I'd prefer to keep you going all night... which doesn't help if you blow your load too soon. So take a few easy breaths, relax and Heed these words - conceal your game till the very-end. Work on picking apart my post before asserting your propositions first. You will lose otherwise, I promise you. Now seen as you've already brought about points that have been quashed for around a decade, there is only this left to say:
Well done for proving that Palpatine (spelling); bless thigh name, is the :
1. Greatest Politico Manipulator
2. Most Evil
And now, show a me quote that put's Sidious above Ragnos in regards to combat, then I'll gladly accept your stance, and even let you kiss me goodnight.
and also conveniently sidesteps debates over the reliability of the particular narrator to instead focus on the intent of the author - which would not be to make a subtle point about the fallibility of the in-universe historian who wrote the New Essential Chronology, for example
and further handwaved by your own reliance on Luke's word
Once again, calm down.
This is your first encounter with me - you're only just loosing your Ziggy-virginity! You don't know what points I'm going to make, neither should you attempt to predict them. More importantly, when you try to refute points that could be brought up, but probably won't, you leave the opponent a nice opportunity to use a different argument altogether. Had I denied the reliability of the historian in question, this might be valid plate of word salad. But as I didn't, it might as well be hot-smoke. The same again, we know full well that Luke's statement is a remark on Ragnos' personal power... can't say the same for Sidious being the greatest master of evil, though.
So thanks for trying, but I'll keep Luke's word tight to my chest right now, while we can hand-wave all of Sidious' statements according to LFL house-rules.
And of course, who better to judge the full extent of Palaptine's personal might against Ragnos' own/ When it only took an inexperienced Luke and Leia, to take him out.
no, Ragos dies pretty badly to the Sidious in Revenge of the Sith, let alone the Sidious in Dark Empire.
Ellimists' wet dreams aren't a valid source.
That, and his vastly superior feats, from mind-wiping populations of trillions to tearing the surfaces off of worlds and swallowing super star destroyers.
And you might want to tell me how any of this helped him in a direct confrontation, where he become one-hand lighter against a mere two people. That is of course, not forgetting how he wasted his only functional clone-body in the process of swallowing a super star-destroyer. It's pretty clear there's nothing vastly superior about Palpatine comparative to anyone, and that probably applies to a rather long list of people who can take him out.
And Sidious wouldn't? 😆
The correct answer is; Sidious didn't, hence why the unborn Anakin solo is present to ruin his sunday.
It's not like it took every deceased Jedi in history to prevent him from coming back or anything. 🙄
And seen as Palaptine's spirit couldn't even lift a metal teaspoon, I wouldn't think that banishing his 'spectral form' is going to be a priority for the team. And if it was, Kun one-shots via his engagement with Nadd's ghost. And to be honest, probably does the same to Palaptine's corporeal form - given that the latter can barely deflect a meager Force push.
But please, go ahead and hang your entire proverbial hat on the implications of Luke, who has never met Ragnos before,
Seen as you can not refute the proverbial cap on the implications of Luke, who has never met Ragnos before, nor force me to drop it... I don't see why I shouldn't go ahead and hang the entire proverbial hat on the implications of Luke, who has never met Ragnos before. Because, at the very least, it's the only solid accolade that can be considered in this fight.
Which btw, isn't the same as deciding who the greatest master of evil is.
above far more concrete accolades putting Palpatine above him.
That's great. Now where are they?
You do realize that DE Luke only beat Palpatine in a duel, with the aid of Force harmony from Leia, right?
Your point is?
Normally I'd assume trolling, but knowing you, this isn't necessarily the case.
You don't know me.
You can get to know me, but it will cost you 30 bucks for one hour.
"Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history."
"When Yoda crosses sabers with the movie's arch-villain, he doesn't launch into a pinwheeling display of acrobatics, as he did against Count Dooku in Episode II. Instead, Yoda faces the dark side's fury, channeled by the most powerful Sith Lord in history. "Rob Coleman wanted Yoda to feel the power of his enemy," says Wheless, "like a force he's never dealt with before.""
"Vader imagined the power that could be his if he crushed Palpatine and established his own rule over the Empire. But first, he would need his own apprentice. By himself, he could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known."
^ it's not like all of these quotes are clearly putting Sidious's power in the context of one on one combat or anything. 🙄