Stealth Moose
Umbrella Elite
Originally posted by AncientPower
Moose, the power was coming from Kun's own heart I.E his own power/rage was channeling through the amulet. The text itself states so. Furthermore Exar Kun didn't merely have some of Sadow's teachings, he knew 'all there is to know about the teachings of Naga Sadow' and then advanced them considerably.
That's not what the text says. I've provided the scan in question and I have the entire comic series if necessary to review any claims to the contrary. Provide a source to directly refute mine please.
Secondly, Exar Kun had six months to plunder the works of Sadow (that which escaped the destruction of the Sith Empire and was developed in exile) and the Jedi library he looted earlier. While he did advance in quite a bit, he's explicitly a novice in many areas. The ritual where he attempts to release his spirit to 'run rampant through the cosmos' notes via narration that he doesn't understand the ritual and is forced to enact it due to lack of time on his part.
The assertion that the amulets amplify power is backed by on-panel narration and evidence. The assertion that they do so only because Kun has the Power of Heart lacks evidence.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
This is uncontested. The idea that Sadow somehow benefits from Ragnos's accomplishments is contested.
The Sith Empire benefits the strong. It's in the Sith code. While cunning and backstabbery is -extremely- common, the point is that those who rise to the top don't do so on mere intellect but on the merit of their own power as well.
You have Ragnos, himself noted as immensely strong in the Force. GAotS supports it. His codex in TOR supports it. And Kreia, a Sith and Jedi historian, supports it. His immediate successors include Kressh and Sadow, themselves surrounded by a Dark Council of power hungry Sith Lords.
Again, let's review the arguments at hand and avoid strawmanning:
1. Sadow is exceptionally strong in the Force.
2. His place in Sith society supports this.
3. His esoteric knowledge of the Force supports this.
4. The fact that he's only checked by Ragnos (his explicit superior) and Kressh (his peer) supports this.
The counter assertion that he is not powerful in face of the above bears some direct refutation. Brick lowballing doesn't work, since DE Sidious was shot in the back and his ROTJ self was benchpressed into a chasm. And his ROTS version was sent over a chair and desk and Yoda beat the ever living shit out of him and disarmed him.
#lowball4tehwin.
This is all speculative and in no way requires that Vitiate's inaction owes to Ragnos's Force powers.
Assertion: Vitiate was Ragnos' inferior.
Evidence to support:
1. Narration from Revan.
2. TOR lore.
3. The fact that despite hate-murdering his father and dominating his planet, he did absolutely nothing to challenge Ragnos.
Counter-assertion:
1. Nuh uh.
Evidence to support:
1. .....
That Ragnos has a strong knowledge and command of the Force is uncontested.
Finally?
You forgot to underline power.
Power and strategic discipline exist in concert with each other, and not in a vacuum. This source doesn't dispel that, despite your attempt to imply otherwise.
^ They show fear and subordination before his spirit. If they were merely terrified of his political acumen and shrewdness, they would not do such to his spirit when power hangs in the balance.
The Google.
I meant the red herring. You've pulled a lot of strange ideas out of my posts.
I'm aware that ancient Sith amulets tend to augment their lackluster power. I'm asking for evidence that the amulets would effect Sadow and Kressh the same way in which they do Kun. Especially since, again, they never display power of remotely that magnitude even with the amulets equipped.
DLotS narration notes that Kun initially can't control the amulets and he struggles to use them against the Sith Wyrm. Later, when doing things like freezing the entire Senate or controlling the Chancellor like a sock puppet, the amulet sparks or flashes. The same way Kressh's does when he crushes the statue.
Same as this:
This:
Oh, look what I found:
Or perhaps Kun is more powerful than the likes of Kressh and Sadow and so we cannot, in good faith, assume that they would be able to duplicate his feats.
He's possibly better. Certainly head and shoulders better than everyone else in his era, and only matched in physical dueling capability by Ulic. But he's also a neophyte Sith Lord with only six months' of study and training. That fledgling knowledge could make all the difference.
In any case, my point is that the amulets, which were crafted by Sadow and which Kressh also appears to have a duplicate of (or one near enough in appearance and function) explicitly amplify rage and dark side power. It makes Exar Kun, who was unable to fight the massassi, suddenly able to destroy the entire temple and the Sith Wyrm, and Falcon Punch Nadd's previously powerful ghost. If you believe that we can say "No way the creator of said amulet could do such things" when he has the Meditation Sphere and the Corsair starship, two cosmic level Force toys, you are deluding yourself for the sake of advocating Sids.
Three full pages are dedicated to the duel before Ragnos's specter intervenes. That could be thirty minutes in comic book time.
What does Ockham's Razor tell you?
Or they did, and their powers just aren't that epic in the grand scheme of things without further technological aid.
Assuming that Sadow and Kressh's duel counts as a legitimate Kaggath, it's hardly the sort of thing that involves pulling punches. There is no evidence to suggest that they weren't legitimately trying to kill each other and substantial evidence to the contrary.
I'll concede the point for now. This isn't strong enough to merit a response.
And again, Kun and Sadow are two distinct characters with asymmetrical abilities and power levels.
See above. The point was to prove Sadow a credible enough threat that he would threaten DE Sidious, especially with backup. There's enough evidence to support that.
The burden is on you to prove that Sadow is capable of duplicating Kun's feats when he is neither stated nor depicted to be capable of them.
That's misrepresenting my argument in an attempt to make it harder to defend. I noted above that the amulets provide amplifying power. There's evidence to support it.
There's tons of scans to support them activating when Force powers are used.
There's a good reason to believe that the creator of said amulets would be able to harness them as well if not better than Exar "I almost died using it the first time" Kun.
There's precisely zero evidence to expect otherwise.
