Just read some of this. It is funny to observe the type of chicanery fanboys will use, when no one competent is there to call semi-obvious bluffs.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
This circular logic is getting ridiculous.
Correction - This circular logic is getting ridiculous. And the accusatory finger can be pointed towards the Starkiller fanboy, not anyone else. Do you even know what circularity is, or why it undermines correct attempts to make a claim valid? It is because circular dialect does not offer proper justification for what someone is trying to prove. For that reason, trying to prove Galen's competency as a duelist against Shaak Ti is perfectly logical, because we can justify her powers.
TFU Shaak Ti can't be quantified outside of her fight with Galen, so it's pointless to scale him off of her.
Correction - The Starkiller fanboy doesn't want Shaak Ti to be quantified, because it is the exact comparison that will end in his defeat. The Starkiller fanboy senses this, so he must interrupt the dispute, break it off altogether, or lead the opponent to a different subject. Instead, point out that Shaak ti must be extraordinarily powerful to challenge (and basically defeat) Galen... because I mean... look at all this big shit he lifted with TK!
She could be weaker than Qui Gon or more powerful than Dooku; we have no clue.
Correction - There are plenty enough "clues" to where Shaak Ti might stand among Qui Gon; and almost everything hints to her being below that level. Britain is continually praised for having a better education system than the USA. When a child is bedridden with sickness, and can't show up to an exam, the paper is discarded and she is examined on her past aptitude. We already have a nice set of saber-showings for Shaak... Getting stomped by Grevious... twice. Struggling with a magnaguard. Not being skilled for a b-team candidacy. Her only notable kill is some rando mercenary, a non Force-sensitive doucher for the separatist movement. Now, did she improve? Maybe she did. But the only three piers in this regard (well known clone war survivors) are Maul, Kenobi and Yoda. And to be honest, all of their combat skills waned.
What we can actually use is the fact that Galen at that point has already pulled off the feats that make him a Force Titan that could squish Nyriss like an insect.
Well, His battle with Shaak ti indicates he won't be squishing anything, or anyone. Rather that he'll be the one getting squished. Like an insect.
I hope this offends the right people.
Given I already explained my reasoning that I believe Shaak can be scaled and my reasons for scaling Galen above Nyriss based on his feats and performances against Shaak which as I mentioned were riddled with circumstances I'm not offended by your post even though it strikes me as ignorant and trolly.
Genuinely syndicate, it wasn't meant to offend you. And given your interest for Galen, I do omit some emotional turmoil when bagging on his abilities. The truth is, I just don't think he's particularly powerful. Even at all. If he was, he wouldn't struggle against the people or the obstacles he faces as much as he should.
Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Genuinely syndicate, it wasn't meant to offend you. And given your interest for Galen, I do omit some emotional turmoil when bagging on his abilities. The truth is, I just don't think he's particularly powerful. Even at all. If he was, he wouldn't struggle against the people or the obstacles he faces as much as he should.
While I appreciate your work in regards to getting more people to appreciate Kun and helping to get rid of the Caedus wank I have to disagree in this instance. I think that's because we have a fundamental difference in the way we view powerscaling mine being a feats first approach.
That's one possible definition - the other possible one is excessive, which hardly suggests that the invisible narrator/generator of events is inventing false stories to lie about what happened.
I dunno where you're even going here. I never claimed they are "inventing false stories". By exaggeration - I meant everyone's ability in the Force in increased to abnormal levels when compared of the rest of Legends canon because the crux of the game was to more or less, be power porn for the fans. The writers themselves stated as much. Meaning, if you put any Force users from another media platform in TFU - they will be pulling of the exact same bullshit "ehh" Jedi like Kota was. It's not a hard concept to grasp, honestly.
TCW is the anti-thesis to TFU, in that it has a habit of actually "lowballing" Force users. We see Death Watching Mando's Ko'ing Kenobi, or Dooku getting taken out by pirates, when, in actuality, Obi-Wan should be capable of plowing threw them, and the Count should be capable of beating entire "armies" like his martial peers Darth Maul and Darth Vader.
If you have a different outlook and perspective on the matter, cool. You're not right or wrong on the matter 'cause it's fiction. I'm going to continue to call exaggerated bullshit with every rip, tho.
it's completely unnecessary because we have quotes from the creators saying that they wanted Galen to represent what Luke would've been had he been trained by Vader.
I have no problem with Galen being a Darth Vader level Force users, with Luke level potential. My quarrel with the series is --- everyone, and I do mean everyone, and their mother are pulling high-level feats of Force and mastery --- when they were nothing more than footnotes in the grand hierarchy of things.
And funnily enough, if you don't trust TFU game or novelization to depict events, how the hell are we supposed to judge his character?
You want my honest opinion on the matter? It shouldn't be used in the battle forum at all. In fact, it should be erased from the Legends canon in general and fall into the fan-fiction pile. The characters are shitty, the story is shitty, and so is the game in general.
Which feats make you think he embarrasses members on the Council
Zen already summed it up exactly, so I'm not even going to waste time reciting what he already did in a inferior fashion.
and why do you circularly assume that Kota is weak just because Vader could ragdoll him?
Given his placement in the grand-scheme of things? Given he was nothing more than a footnote in TCW, and clearly depicted as someone who isn't intended to be one of the most powerful Jedi the galaxy has seen aside from over-the-top feats? The fact, that Vader himself said Kota was below Council members?
Yeah, that. Nice strawman with that Vader point, though. 👆
Everyone on this forum puts Anakin Skywalker on a pedestal ( honestly most people probably put him above pre SoR Revan and some even above SoR ) and use feats from the OCW comics to back it up. You are ridiculously out of touch.
It has Jadus holding together capital ships. Malgus shaking transports with his rage. Valkorian being a world destroying entity and busting transports with his lightning. It has guys like Sel Makor and Soa running around. Need I go on?
When you have random footnote Jedi doing things that vastly outstrip showings of which performed by "one of the most powerful Jedi ever", than the source is absolute horseshit.
And yeah, I have my problems with TOR, but at least a number of those characters showings are actually substantiated. Revan ridiculous showing in rag-dolling a strike team? He's ****ing Revan - who gets his dick sucked more than Lexington Steele, it gets a pass.
Rham "Yawn" Kota pulling off shit that outclasses anything an actual celebrated Jedi like Plo Koon? No, pure bullshit with no redeeming factor.
I don't know how Rahm's feat is better then Yoda manipulating transports or Mace slowing down a landslide containing hundreds of tons of debris.
I'm sorry but just because you don't think a feat adds up holistically doesn't allow you to discount it like it never even occurred. It happened, deal with it and fit it into your fanfiction of how you view SW in the way you want. Don't discard it though simply because it didn't line up with your expectations.