Her only superiority lay in physicals. Meetra stands her ground until physically pressed down to a knee, against a focused all-out assault from Nyriss, whereas just prior to that Scourge stumbles backward over a single thrust.
Meetra manages to absorb most of Nyriss' charring lightning but is knocked over by it and she is slow to rise after, this with a mere Force barrier, not a prepared Tutaminis defense. Comparatively, Scourge tries to telekinetically push a distracted Nyriss over, who merely deflected it and then slammed Scourge, sending him head over heels and once again flooring him. At which point he admits utter inferiority.
Pretty big differential don't you think?
Pretty sure the narrator is the one who admits that Scourge and Meetra are utterly inferior, backing up Scourge's acceptance of their inevitable deaths. And being "clearly overmatched", and quickly being forced on to one knee, and being at the mercy of a "crippling cut", and getting knocked on her ass from a single bolt of lightning kind of does imply utter inferiority. Good job Drew, I hope no one completely misconstrues that. 👆
Originally posted by AncientPower
Her only superiority lay in physicals. Meetra stands her ground until physically pressed down to a knee, against a focused all-out assault from Nyriss, whereas just prior to that Scourge stumbles backward over a single thrust.Meetra manages to absorb most of Nyriss' charring lightning but is knocked over by it and she is slow to rise after, this with a mere Force barrier, not a prepared Tutaminis defense. Comparatively, Scourge tries to telekinetically push a distracted Nyriss over, who merely deflected it and then slammed Scourge, sending him head over heels and once again flooring him. At which point he admits utter inferiority.
Pretty big differential don't you think?
Lmao.
No the fight is from Scourge's point of view which states he can't do anything to stop her coming attack:
Scourge felt the energy building inside her, and he knew he would be powerless to stop it. Nyriss was too powerful; her command of the dark side was too strong.
-The Old Republic Revan
Meetra is stated to stand her ground but is overwhelmed and forced down to a knee, which leaves her in an awkward position where her flank is exposed. Scourge again just prior to this gets essentially one-shotted by a focused Nyriss attack:
She landed right between her two adversaries, her blade flashing back and forth in a series of slashes and cuts that immediately threw her two opponents on the defensive.Scourge barely managed to parry the first wave of her assault, unable to even think about countering with an attack of his own. Another quick thrust forced him off balance and he staggered backward.
Nyriss seized on the opportunity to focus all her efforts on breaking through Meetra’s defenses. The Jedi was clearly overmatched; though she managed to hold her ground, she was forced down to one knee.
- The Old Republic Revan
Nyriss' Dooku+ tier lightning couldn't kill Surik through one of Surik's instant Force barriers, not a focused Force defense. The difference between a barrier and Tutaminis is important Skillz. Of course you wouldn't purposefully forget that:
Called Sith lightning, these charges cause excruciating pain and weaken life, and it is a challenge for even the most powerful Jedi Masters to deflect such bursts.
- Star Wars: The Ultimate Visual Guide
You also wouldn't forget the environment either, would you Skillz? I mean it's not as if FOTJ Luke Skywalker and Jaina Solo didn't have their reflexes clogged by a Dromund Kaas temple ruin dating from the Old Republic era.
Luke and Jaina were fighting back-to-back. The Sith attacking them had two advantages. One was the fact that they outnumbered the two Jedi. The second was that they were being reinforced by the emanations of the dark side nexus within the temple. It surged forth like psychic sewage, clogging the Jedi's reflexes as it fueled their enemies.
-_Fate of the Jedi: Ascension
1. I was more referring to the part where the narrator states Nyriss was too powerful. And even though Scourge finds he's powerless to stop it, a single lightning bolt rendered Meetra incapable of doing so as well.
2. Yes, I know that Surik was clearly overmatched and quickly overwhelmed by Nyriss in their lightsaber duel.
3. It was a single freaking bolt. Nyriss's full power, on the other hand, was far too much for Meetra and Scourge to stop or overcome. I also find it interesting that Surik chooses to defend herself with a force barrier as opposed to her lightsaber.
4. I don't care how FOTJ portrays Kaas, only how Drew does, and it's not even close to strong enough that it'd make Meetra > Nyriss otherwise. It sort of goes against authorial intent to believe Meetra in any context is superior to Nyriss.
Lmao.
Meetra held her own unlike Scourge who was instantly beaten, and she was capable of tanking the most potent part of Nyriss' lightning with a barrier, not an actual Tutaminis defense.
So you're grasping at authorial straws to dismiss the fact Dromund Kaas has a very real, very obvious nullifying effect on Jedi that is even attributed to Revan and Meetra themselves? Nice to see your argument losing its legs already.
You are right on one thing though, Dromund Kaas was far more active and thus more potent in effect than it was after millennia of inferior presences.
Darth Nyriss on a dark side nexus that has drastic effects, does indeed have the advantage over Meetra who didn't have her full powers available.
Dromund Kaas has:
-Made Revan incapable of sensing the future.
-Made Meetra incapable of achieving inner tranquility and enlightenment, which boosts her augmentative and defensive ability.
-Corrupted Kyle Katarn and drove him half mad.
-Rendered Ben Skywalker incapable of feeling the Force.
-Drastically slowed down FOTJ Luke and Jaina's reflexes.
-Rendered Mara Jade's powers inert.
It's almost as if Dromund Kaas has the same effect throughout The Old Republic, Jedi Knight and Fate of the Jedi.
What does Scourge have to do with this thread? Meetra, "held her ground," but that doesn't stop the facts that she was clearly overmatched, brought to her knees, and put out of commission by a single bolt of lightning. And again, I find it interesting that Meetra thought it a better option to use a force barrier than a lightsaber defense.
When did I ever say Dromund Kaas wasn't a nexus with debilitating effects under Drew's writing, (again, I don't really care about what happened in FOTJ. Why? Because authorial intent. The Dark Temple did jack to the HoT and the empire protags. Unless you think the Hero has a stronger connection to the light side, or the empire classes/HoT have more mental fortitude than Luke and co, it's pretty obvious that different authors display varying levels of power to fit for the story)? It simply doesn't take away from the fact that Nyriss leapt in the middle of Scourge and Meetra and both were still put on the defensive by her skill and speed, and after Scourge was put out of commission, Meetra followed suit. A single bolt of Nyriss's lightning subdued Meetra, why on earth should anyone think that, even off nexus, Nyriss is inferior to Meetra? There's no way Meetra would ever be able to handle Nyriss best efforts with force lightning.
While I agree with your point, I'm pretty sure the intention is that the Empire protags and the HoT are just that beastly to be able to fight in the Dark Temple. TOR goes to great lengths to stress the incredible influence the temple has on those who enter or get near it. It obviously wouldn't do jack shit to them, they simply overcame it.
That said, Nyriss jumping in between them and still stomping them shows that she's vastly superior to them, as is her ability to one-shot both of them with TK and lightning.
Talk about negating context.
Meetra on a planet that rendered her incapable of fully augmenting her physical abilities and defensive applications of the Force, was inferior to Nyriss. This meant that the Force meditation that had been sustaining her for the last four days, which was a mere two days after her near discorporation on Nathema, was incapable of sustaining her further and yet she takes no breaks for rest or sustenance until after battling Darth Nyriss.
Meetra Surik would obviously be capable of throwing around greater weight in a neutral environment, with full rest and physical capability than she would otherwise. No I am not suggesting Meetra Surik would improve so much as to defeat Darth Nyriss, but instead give her a far tougher fight. In a battle, the small differences can have great effects.
I am still yet to see any argument depicting that Tano is taking an engagement against Meetra Surik however. Meetra is more powerful, physically better, mentally better, more masterful a duelist and has precognitive abilities.
She goes from the spaceport to the market and trades for information brokers. Eventually she contacts Sechel to find Scourge who was in T3's hologram, she goes to a cave she uses as a hideout and tries to meditate, she fails to do so and awaits Lord Scourge. She demolishes Murtog and his mercenaries before conversing with Scourge, she waits expecting an ambush from him until he returns and finally they go to Nyriss' compound.
She didn't sleep, meditate or eat in that time. It is after they break Revan out that they get some hours to rest and decide to sit watching Bastila and his son.
Originally posted by Nephthys
While I agree with your point, I'm pretty sure the intention is that the Empire protags and the HoT are just that beastly to be able to fight in the Dark Temple. TOR goes to great lengths to stress the incredible influence the temple has on those who enter or get near it. It obviously wouldn't do jack shit to them, they simply overcame it.That said, Nyriss jumping in between them and still stomping them shows that she's vastly superior to them, as is her ability to one-shot both of them with TK and lightning.
Well yeah, I recognize that the protags are beastly, but just that TOR doesn't display Kaas as powerful as Post-ROTJ content does, wherein Katarn is being driven mad and Luke is having legit trouble.