Originally posted by NaiYour claims of the destructive power and every over exaggeration you have claimed thus far. I have a feeling plenty more are coming this way.
No, Sir. I'm not going to prove a negative. It is your task to prove, that they can engage targets that aren't in warp speed while they are on warp speed themselves, and since that never happened in the entirety of Star Trek, they can't. And ffs: If you are traveling with a speed of 300,000 km/s+, you just can't fire at a near stationary target, because you would be out of your own weapon range, before even trying to fire. Not to mention, that there is - quite obviously - the problem of the warp drive "warping" space-time around the ship, which would lead to problems to interact with object that are still in the normal space-time.@Dumbchi0815
What "claim" are you even talking about?
I've presented visual evidence, that the Executor is hit with something that generated an explosion more than a kilometer in diameter in outer space. I further linked you to an official gouvernment source describing the test of nuclear weapons in outer space, leading to my conclusions regarding firepower. Wether you are agreeing with the "nerd math" or not, is entirely irrelevant, because the size of the explosion alone indicates firepower far beyond anything ever seen in Star Trek.
Why can't you see that applying physics is not "my" conclusions, analysis, evidence, but a mere transfer of stuff shown on screen into real-life terms? That you have a problem with that, because Star Wars shits on Star Trek in that regard is, once again, not my problem. And since you are inable to counter any of "my" conclusions, analysis or evidence, but instead just go "Nope." also doesn't look as if you had an argument.
As I thought: Deliberate cherrypicking out of the canon source material from the Star Wars side in an attempt to downtalk Star Wars. The two TV shows "Rebels" and "The Clone Wars" are absolute canon even under the Disney rule.
2:40 onwards. Dropped by a Star Fighter. Boom.
0:55 - 0:58 Droid Starfighters small weapons causing massive explosions.
2:38 - 2:44 more massive explosions caused by single hits of turbolaser fire.
This is all absolute canon.
You use your pitty excuses about "inconsistent portrayals" to mask your attempt to downtalk Star Wars. Let us face the facts here: If portrayals within a work of fiction do differ from eachother, "suspension of disbelief" demands that we first search and in universe explanation for that. That Chewie's bowcaster, with the last shot he fires, doesn't seem to do the damage it does with all other shots before could either be because the power-cell is empty (which would explain why he doesn't shoot a second time to kill Kylo) or Kylo was wearing some form of armor or he was attempting to protect himself with the force, blocking some part of the blast. What we do not do is take that singlular showing to attempt and talk down the weapon itself, which is what you do.
Using that logic on Star Trek would mean, that photon torpedos never hit their targets (because one of the Narada, the most advanced ship seen in Star Trek, does miss and an entire salvo of torpedos launched is easily intercepted by the Enterprise later). Does that sound reasonable for you?
Furthermore, you haven't shown how the explosions in the space-battles are "inconsistant" at all, because - gosh - they aren't.
1:11 - 1:15 Beam weapon out of the Venator class hangar destroys the enemy ship in a rather huge explosion.
Broadside exchange of two ships far weaker than a Star Destroyer, happening after hours of space battle (shields probably gone completely) and even then their armor tanks quite a lot of damage, provided the Venator-class vessel (pre Star Destroyer design) survives this easily. And even here, most of the shots fired come from the smaller guns mounted at the side of the ship. And even those do generate explosions with a diameter of several dozen meters compareable to Star Trek photon torpedos. But not only can those ships tank ].
Oh, really? Everything must add up?
We can go on Han Solo's comment, when h fire[/i] from a Star Destroyer in ANH (losing a deflector shield already). And you may want to consider that the MF is
Did you, by chance, miss the fact that the Imperials manouver their ships into the asteroid field (including the city sized Executor) and, after flying through that asteroid field for hours (or even days?) they lose one ship by constant asteroid bombardment, with a particular unlucky and massive hit destroying the bridge?
You have speculated about the area being one kilometer without any factual proof as the source for your beliefs. Then what's worse is you ramble on about real life weaponry and try to create a false parallel between the two. That is simply absurd.
Oh can't I rebut you now ? Since when ? You haven't proven your claims and continue to pound your chest in some primitive caveman manner. Ok since I am not looking for any YouTube videos to highlight the Star Wars pathetic MF I'll just time stamp it.
Around 35 minutes into the ESB we see Han Solo using the ships guns to fire on a wintery storm trooper. It doesn't do anything impressive by any means. Downright pathetic. We then flash forward to episode 7 and we see the MF easily take out a tie fighter with a shot to the wing. Nothing impressive at all and these ships easily go down. We see Dameron's rebel ship was easily taken out via the Stormtroopers blasts. I am not talking about the bigger guns which completely destroyed it I am referring to the standard weaponry which critically damaged it.
Films only. Ops are meant to be followed not ignored when you want to show your bias.
So now you're making up excuses to explain away why Chewie didn't fire again. You don't have anything to support this blatant fanboyism. What's worse we see Chewie shoot no more than a second or two later at the Stormtroopers who were going to attack him since he just fired on their commander. For ****s sake the dishonesty if you fanboys. What I relish in is the fact you're too stupid to even make a compelling argument and have to resort to blatant lies to cover up your insanity.
So now you pretend there's maybe armor under their despite nothing to support this. It's always the same with you people. Excuses, baseless claims, and made up numbers to support your brand. The irony is you call yourself an anti fanboy when you're as fanatical as they come.
I used the entire scene. It wasn't just one blast. The point is despite the concussive power of the blasts they don't do massive damage to the bodies like say the Boolean gun as evidenced by the shot to Kylo Ren. We don't see a massive difference in visceral damage done to the Stormtroopers when comparing to the standard blasters. We just see in certain scenes a difference in concussive force.
That just means the torpedoes don't always hit their targets due to the circumstances of the situation.
We see massive explosions in Trek as well especially when the USS Kelvin collides with the Narada. The difference is unlike in Star Wars when inferior ships explode and collide they don't cause significant damage like in Trek. I've always maintained this and it's routinely supported. Thanks.
Oh for ****s sake we see the much smaller ships in these clips take out their shield generators rather easily. These same smaller ships are easily damaged by the smaller and really not powerful buzz droids. But your logic and fanatical mind will always try to support anything in star wars is somehow more powerful simply for being associated with Star Wars.
We see they didn't have the definition back then as they do now. It simply came across as more compelling and easier to give off the impression the object was completely destroyed. No, it isn't a red herring these kinds of examples are found all throughout fiction as these pieces of work come from the imagination not some kind of reality where things need to add up. You can ignore the countless examples of the inconsistencies to support your anything that happens in Star Wars is more powerful simply for being a part of it nonsense.
So some jackass who just has an opinion which isn't a fact we base everything from. Dear lord you need your head examined because you lost your German marbles. Again with the nonsensical claims. How correct was Han with bringing his son in ? How did that end up for old Han ?
And Trek has red matter which by feats is greater since it destroyed an active super nova. What's sadder for wars is you need years and huge bases to co struck whereas Trek needs small ships and drops of the stuff to set at its target. The practicality of it is laughable compared to Wars massive manpower required to construct and maintain the station.
Cite your courses quit with the nerd math. Baseless claim.
MF was hit by one off screen and we never see it struck again. It depends on the size of the asteroid and the speed both which we can't determine since we see inside the cockpit at the time of the attack.
Off screens and they had tie fighters and massive help. I've seen three star destroyers unable to stop the MF due to poor offensive targeting and maneuverability.