Meetra Surik vs. Darth Vader

His opinion, when he was there at Bioware writing what was essentially the primary class story. Also, the description of the Entity in her Codex Entry is even more obviously Traya than Arren Kae. Kek.

Darth Baras’ rise to power has been facilitated by his enslavement of a Sith spirit known only as the Entity. Baras dominated this centuries-dead Sith into using her powers of precognition and farseeing to aid his ascendancy onto the Dark Council while plotting the destruction of all enemies in his path. The Entity chafes at her enslavement, desperately seeking freedom from this ignoble fate. Centuries ago, she nearly brought the galaxy to its knees and all but eradicated the Jedi Order; to be used as a mere political tool by Darth Baras is an insult to these past deeds.

The fact all you can reply with is that, is pretty telling tbh.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
How does any of this change the fact that Meetra is weaker than someone ona dark side nexus, who could get oneshotted by someone who is still clearly more powerful than Vader?

I mean Revan being < Vader is pretty kek worthy in and of itself.

The TOR re-uprising has begun...

Originally posted by AncientPower
I mean Revan being < Vader is pretty kek worthy in and of itself.

I don't recall anyone claiming Revan to be less than Vader.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
The TOR re-uprising has begun...

Hardly. Not many around here take AP seriously from my browsing.

Originally posted by Chosen_Sith
Vowrawn who got punked by a mercenary. More alive with the dark side =/= powerful. It's a comment about how ingrained in the dark side her spirit is. Remember, you can also comment on how weak/decrepit she is as well. You can't use a conversation choice to confirm your thoughts on the matter while ignoring other conversation options that are just as valid as a choice. No, Kreia is not Vader level and her feats/accolades/showings don't add up either to make me believe it. Again, we have the Revan novel and we know where Meetra stands in the grand scheme of things. Which is far below Revan.

Do I need to repeat the all too easy line again? I'm starting to think I need to repeat the all too easy line.

You can call her a 'means to Baras' end' or basically dismiss her for being dead. Doesn't negate the other option whatsoever.

Kreia stomped three very powerful Jedi High Council members with complete contemptuous ease. Yeh, that's easily Vader tier.

Originally posted by AncientPower
I mean Revan being < Vader is pretty kek worthy in and of itself.

If Revan has blown apart a cruiser, taken out hundreds of storm troopers with a single force push, one-shotted AT-ATs, and redirected a star destroyer, he might be able to match Vader years before his prime. 👆

Originally posted by Chosen_Sith
I don't recall anyone claiming Revan to be less than Vader.

Have you even been reading Ell's posts?

Originally posted by AncientPower
You can call her a 'means to Baras' end' or basically dismiss her for being dead. Doesn't negate the other option whatsoever.

Kreia stomped three very powerful Jedi High Council members with complete contemptuous ease. Yeh, that's easily Vader tier.

Those Jedi High Council Members barely have any worthy feats to their names. Vader could easily do the same. Note when I say worthy feats I'm talking about something that would actually give Vader some pause.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Have you even been reading Ell's posts?

To be honest? No.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
If Revan has blown apart a cruiser, taken out hundreds of storm troopers with a single force push, one-shotted AT-ATs, and redirected a star destroyer, he might be able to match Vader years before his prime. 👆

I'll leave you for Ant, God be with you.

Originally posted by Chosen_Sith
Hardly. Not many around here take AP seriously from my browsing.

Who the hell are you to begin with?

Originally posted by AncientPower
I'll leave you for Ant, God be with you.

Ant is on ignore, but that's OK since his last argument against Vader was that The Force Unleashed can't be used for feats. 👆

But I'll take your concession with stride. 🙂

Originally posted by AncientPower
Who the hell are you to begin with?

Someone who has browsed these forums for ages. By forums I don't mean just the star wars section. As for Darthant? I don't think he agrees Nyriss = Darth Vader. Maybe I'm wrong.

Note when I dismissed you I don't consider myself any more important on these forums. I'd hope to be acknowledged as an educated newbie but it could be wishful thinking. 😉

Originally posted by Chosen_Sith
Those Jedi High Council Members barely have any worthy feats to their names. Vader could easily do the same. Note when I say worthy feats I'm talking about something that would actually give Vader some pause.

You really should pay attention to Beni.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Ant is on ignore, but that's OK since his last argument against Vader was that The Force Unleashed can't be used for feats. 👆

But I'll take your concession with stride. 🙂

You want me to concede on an ultimately irrelevant point? That desperate.

Originally posted by AncientPower
You really should pay attention to Beni.

Does Beniboybling consider Kreia to be Vader level?

Irrelevant to the point that Meetra is in Revan's oneshot territory? Yeah, it's not like that would imply Vader could if you concede Vader's superiority or anything.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Your palpable obsession with Meetra aside, she is visibly weaker than Nyriss, who in turn essentially gets one-shotted by Revan Reborn, who is weaker than Vader, so yeah, she probably does get one-shotted.

I mean, what game do you want to play here? Accolades? Feats? *Eyes Galen Marek respect thread* Neither is gonna do you any good.

Oh cool, so we're taking Vader on his death bed after being slaughtered with lightning? I'll make sure to start using Old Ben in any thread that mentions Kenobi from now on too. I apparently didn't get the memo that we used the latest character we see, and not their prime anymore 🙂 🙂 🙂

What phenomenal logic 🙂

The fact is, after fighting through a Legion of Sith Assassins, Sion four seperate times and Storm Beasts that can crush a Jedi even through armour plating while hindered by a gravity well and mental torture (something essential to a Jedi's ability to call on the force) she wasn't ragdolled by Traya, or even defeated with the Force. This being the woman who dominates Jedi Council members, strikes fear into the heart of Darth Nihilus and force Crushes the strongest Sith in the empire (Nihilus and Visas) without a gesture. This being the woman with stronger sense feats than even Yoda, and control feats that rival the strongest of the Sith.

A sense of evidence is not evidence of absense. A prime Meetra may not have outrageous force feats given the medium she's portrayed in, but she's certainly showed she won't be ragdolled by Vader, especially given his own showings against inferior opponents.

Originally posted by Selenial
Oh cool, so we're taking Vader on his death bed after being slaughtered with lightning? I'll make sure to start using Old Ben in any thread that mentions Kenobi from now on too. I apparently didn't get the memo that we used the latest character we see, and not their prime anymore 🙂 🙂 🙂

What phenomenal logic 🙂

The fact is, after fighting through a Legion of Sith Assassins, Sion four seperate times and Storm Beasts that can crush a Jedi even through armour plating while hindered by a gravity well and mental torture (something essential to a Jedi's ability to call on the force) she wasn't ragdolled by Traya, or even defeated with the Force. This being the woman who dominates Jedi Council members, strikes fear into the heart of Darth Nihilus and force Crushes the strongest Sith in the empire (Nihilus and Visas) without a gesture. This being the woman with stronger sense feats than even Yoda, and control feats that rival the strongest of the Sith.

A sense of evidence is not evidence of absense. A prime Meetra may not have outrageous force feats given the medium she's portrayed in, but she's certainly showed she won't be ragdolled by Vader, especially given his own showings against inferior opponents.

Selenial, by this post it seems to me that you believe Meetra as of Revan isn't her strongest incarnation. This isn't bait, I'm above that nonsense; can you give me evidence or proof that the exile isn't at her strongest incarnation in the Revan novel? Once this is confirmed we can focus on using KOTOR 2 in it's entirety. A lot of my beef in this thread is with the assumption that Nyriss is Vader tier when there's literally no evidence for this. If we can establish that Kreia is above Nyriss and that the exile isn't at her strongest incarnation here we can give a more fair debate regarding her abilities. That fair?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Irrelevant to the point that Meetra is in Revan's oneshot territory? Yeah, it's not like that would imply Vader could if you concede Vader's superiority or anything.

Because Vader isn't superior, or even equal. He's never dealt with lightning that can ash two powerful Force users. Nevermind absorbing and returning. nfact the only time he faced a tier of lightning that deadly, he died.

Then we have Vitiate who'd easily kill Vader or Starkiller with an FLS.

Originally posted by Chosen_Sith
Selenial, by this post it seems to me that you believe Meetra as of Revan isn't her strongest incarnation. This isn't bait, I'm above that nonsense; can you give me evidence or proof that the exile isn't at her strongest incarnation in the Revan novel? Once this is confirmed we can focus on using KOTOR 2 in it's entirety. A lot of my beef in this thread is with the assumption that Nyriss is Vader tier when there's literally no evidence for this. If we can establish that Kreia is above Nyriss and that the exile isn't at her strongest incarnation here we can give a more fair debate regarding her abilities. That fair?

Well I'm on my phone right now so I can't post the quote, but the Exile is stated to have healed her wound after the end of the game, during her rebuilding of the Jedi Order.

Some don't take that to mean she got weaker, but given the wound was the literal source of her power, and given the stark power differences displayed, it seems by far the most logical conclusion.

It's interesting watching which side people tend to fall on. It's almost entirely dependent on which era they tend to favour.