Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Blue Marvel has done plenty, you people just don't respect the character for what ever reason. Stalemating a team including Sentry, Ironman, Wonderman, Ares and Ms. Marvel is not something John is capable of doing. Sentry alone is an elite herald that is >> John.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
What has Stewart done? Also how is he more consistent?
holding off an entire planet of black lanterns, stunning parallax, harming fernus, temporally disabling superman, holding off a kryptonian, recreating a solar system and having his will exceed the rings capabilities , holding the earth together, surviving a supernova taking down the jla, tanking the explosion of a planet.........
he wins.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Actually, he eventually lost to them. Not saying it wasn't impressive how long he lasted against such a powerhouse team, but he got KO'd in the end.
Yes, I know but that was hardly the point. Until the suckered dive bomb from space by a fellow elite herald while BM was trying to talk to the others, he fought them evenly at worse.
Originally posted by ghostman
holding off an entire planet of black lanterns, stunning parallax, harming fernus, temporally disabling superman, holding off a kryptonian, recreating a solar system and having his will exceed the rings capabilities , holding the earth together, surviving a supernova taking down the jla, tanking the explosion of a planet.........he wins.
So pretty much non combat showings. Has he punched a Superman level character into space? Has he KOed a team buster and stood over him? Has he defeated a character that physically took it to Thor? There is no comparison whatsoever, Brashears is on another level. JS isn't even the top Lantern and that guy has been getting punked by Superman for decades. Stewart is two notches below Blue Marvel.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Yes, I know but that was hardly the point. Until the suckered dive bomb from space by a fellow elite herald while BM was trying to talk to the others, he fought them evenly at worse.
Naaaaaa he was getting worked most of the fight. At the start each member were taking shots on him and he was doing nothing and was even bleeding from their attacks. Then sentry arrived they exchanged a few punches and sentry put him to the ground and then stopped and tried to talk to him. When his guard was down BM sent him into orbit and then he briefly held of wonder man, ares and iron man before the dive bomb. Teenage namor fought the same team and did better actually
Also to note it's implied sentry was weakened during the fight. As negative energy was entering into earth and that's what weakens him which explains why he was so drained from the dive bomb
Originally posted by -K-M-
Naaaaaa he was getting worked most of the fight. At the start each member were taking shots on him and he was doing nothing and was even bleeding from their attacks. Then sentry arrived they exchanged a few punches and sentry put him to the ground and then stopped and tried to talk to him. When his guard was down BM sent him into orbit and then he briefly held of wonder man, ares and iron man before the dive bomb. Teenage namor fought the same team and did better actuallyAlso to note it's implied sentry was weakened during the fight. As negative energy was entering into earth and that's what weakens him which explains why he was so drained from the dive bomb
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Even though for anyone who knows the Sentry would know anything to do with the Negative Zone affects him. I also asked Kevin Grievoux for his clarification and he told me he intended for that to happen.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
So pretty much non combat showings. Has he punched a Superman level character into space? Has he KOed a team buster and stood over him? Has he defeated a character that physically took it to Thor? There is no comparison whatsoever, Brashears is on another level.
ummm stunning parallax and hurting fernus arent combat showings? taking down the jla arent combat showings??? now i see why people make fun of you on this site. you dont get to ignore showings and use what you feel is right. johns has better showings then marvel, deal with it. hes not hurting parallax or fernus like john is
Originally posted by -K-M-
Naaaaaa he was getting worked most of the fight. At the start each member were taking shots on him and he was doing nothing and was even bleeding from their attacks. Then sentry arrived they exchanged a few punches and sentry put him to the ground and then stopped and tried to talk to him. When his guard was down BM sent him into orbit and then he briefly held of wonder man, ares and iron man before the dive bomb. Teenage namor fought the same team and did better actuallyAlso to note it's implied sentry was weakened during the fight. As negative energy was entering into earth and that's what weakens him which explains why he was so drained from the dive bomb
I know we've been through this b4 but when did teen Namor fight the same team?
Also it was never implied in the story that Sentry was weakened. That was a theory from Scott which came from one of Sentry's visits to the negative zone iirc.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Don't think he was getting "worked most of the fight". Looked like he had his kid gloves on early then started to push his weight around later. That's when Sentry came in for the outer space nosedive.Also it was never implied in the story that Sentry was weakened. That was a theory from Scott which came from one of Sentry's visits to the negative zone iirc.
It wasn't a theory, Everybody who knows of the Sentry should know the Negative Zone affects him. I even asked Kevin Grievoux and he told me he implied that it was to screw with his powers. Which differs from what Jenkins wanted for the Negative Zone to do.
To deny something like that is to deny a part of Sentry's canon.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Don't think he was getting "worked most of the fight". Looked like he had his kid gloves on early then started to push his weight around later. That's when Sentry came in for the outer space nosedive.Also it was never implied in the story that Sentry was weakened. That was a theory from Scott which came from one of Sentry's visits to the negative zone iirc.
I disagree. He had no answer and was not getting the better of them. Majority of the fight he was on the defensive
Teenage namor fought ares, sentry, wonder man and iron man in the avengers/invaders crossover. Only ms.marvel was missing, but really she only landed the one shot and wasn't in the rest of the right
And now confirmed as shown in the tweets from the writer. Him being so drained from the dive bomb was an indicator
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
It wasn't a theory, Everybody who knows of the Sentry should know the Negative Zone affects him. I even asked Kevin Grievoux and he told me he implied that it was to screw with his powers. Which differs from what Jenkins wanted for the Negative Zone to do.To deny something like that is to deny a part of Sentry's canon.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Yes. He gets affected when he enters the negative zone. But in the BM story, he never exhibited any such weaknesses and they never even hinted on it. In reality in Sentry's own book, it was never explained why the negative zone affects him.
Hence why I said it was a theory of yours regarding his domination by the hands of Anti-Man.
Asking Kevin through twitter is ok and all, but that's hardly proof. For one, your question alone led him to an answer which in fact isn't even concrete at least imo. Second, it wasn't even an official interview. He probably never even knew about Sentry's visit into the neg zone.
The thing is I didn't need to even get an answer or need to use the thing from Grievoux as evidence. It just helps emphasise a point that should be known.
Before I PM'd the author I knew this and contacting him didn't add anything different.
And need I mention Tony saying the Negative Zone was spilling into the Earth because of Anti-Man making an appearance. But I shouldn't have to because we all should know this.
You can't just deny a piece of canon. Interesting how you say it isn't concrete when he actually told me what he intended. If Sentry's powers are being messed about with then he will be greatly diminished and unable to perform at his best. Much like he was inside the Negative Zone. Where he went from being on Earth and beating the Void to a pulp and chucking him into the Sun to barely being able to fight back the hordes in the Negative Zone.
If he didn't even know about Sentry's weakness to the Negative Zone he'd be a pretty dumb writer. Never claimed it to be an official interview either. Your next defence is to say because it was never hinted at that it can't be true.
The writers aren't teachers telling us babies how to read and write and use our 5 senses. Sometimes things are subtle and left for us to see for ourselves. Bendis once said in SIEGE that Robert only died because he wanted to, but he didn't want to put a line in where Spider-Man says "Gee, if he didn't want to die we couldn't have killed him". It's quite obvious to everyone in that case. I don't see how it's any different. Not everything is going to be shown for you in big bold writing.
And also why would it matter as to why the Negative Zone affects him? That's another subject. Surely the question is how. Which we know and has been answered even though we didn't need one.
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
The thing is I didn't need to even get an answer or need to use the thing from Grievoux as evidence. It just helps emphasise a point that should be known.Before I PM'd the author I knew this and contacting him didn't add anything different.
And need I mention Tony saying the Negative Zone was spilling into the Earth because of Anti-Man making an appearance. But I shouldn't have to because we all should know this.
You can't just deny a piece of canon. Interesting how you say it isn't concrete when he actually told me what he intended. If Sentry's powers are being messed about with then he will be greatly diminished and unable to perform at his best. Much like he was inside the Negative Zone. Where he went from being on Earth and beating the Void to a pulp and chucking him into the Sun to barely being able to fight back the hordes in the Negative Zone.
If he didn't even know about Sentry's weakness to the Negative Zone he'd be a pretty dumb writer. Never claimed it to be an official interview either. Your next defence is to say because it was never hinted at that it can't be true.
The writers aren't teachers telling us babies how to read and write and use our 5 senses. Sometimes things are subtle and left for us to see for ourselves. Bendis once said in SIEGE that Robert only died because he wanted to, but he didn't want to put a line in where Spider-Man says "Gee, if he didn't want to die we couldn't have killed him". It's quite obvious to everyone in that case. I don't see how it's any different. Not everything is going to be shown for you in big bold writing.
And also why would it matter as to why the Negative Zone affects him? That's another subject. Surely the question is how. Which we know and has been answered even though we didn't need one.
"Sentry has a known weakness to the Negative Zone. Did you mean for that to play a part in this battle with it leaking?"
Now if you had asked him in a more neutral way, I might lean towards to your idea that he was weakened.
And this thing about what he "intended". You basically asked him a loaded question. His answer seemed political enough. It didn't step on anyone's toes, but wasn't quite the smoking gun reply you tried to lead him to. Heck in his answer to you he couldn't even bring himself to say that Sentry was weakened.
Not saying he's dumb, but it's common for writers to not do their homework when it comes to characters they did not create.
Concerning the Negative Zone, it has caused emotional and psychological distress on more than one occasion for characters who have ventured forth in it. There are examples of the Zone itself affecting individuals in a more metaphysical way. And we have here a character who is first and foremost governed by his mental state. That is why I can't fully subscribe to the idea that anti-matter energies is a source of weakness for Sentry a la Kryptonite. I've never seen it explained that way.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
You tweeted him on twitter. Obviously u felt the need to justify your stance."Sentry has a known weakness to the Negative Zone. Did you mean for that to play a part in this battle with it leaking?"
Now if you had asked him in a more neutral way, I might lean towards to your idea that he was weakened.
And this thing about what he "intended". You basically asked him a loaded question. His answer seemed political enough. It didn't step on anyone's toes, but wasn't quite the smoking gun reply you tried to lead him to. Heck in his answer to you he couldn't even being himself to say that Sentry was weakened.
Not saying he's dumb, but it's common for writers to not do their homework when it comes to characters they did not create.
Concerning the Negative Zone, it has caused emotional and psychological distress on more than one occasion for characters who have ventured forth in it. And we have here a character who us first and foremost governed by his mental state. That is why I can't fully subscribe to the idea that anti-matter energies is a source of weakness for Sentry a la Kryptonite. I've never seen it explained that way.
I didn't feel the need to justify it as like I said I already knew it (at least in my opinion). It was mainly for others to see just in the event that they disagree with me so you have an "official" word so to speak. It doesn't bother me much whether he replied or not.
Here is something else I could show you.
And this.
It wasn't a loaded question, I said as Sentry has a weakness to the Negative Zone, did you intend that to play a part in the battle. He answered honestly in my opinion. I didn't lead him to anything. You keep putting these labels on me that I "obviously wanted to justify my stance" and that I "was leading him to an answer" but I wasn't. As I said before some things are just obvious to all.