Darth Vader vs. Exar Kun

1. So how do you explain Anakin's loss in potential, then? He did end up losing most of his Midi-chlorians. I'm inclined to think both per cell and overall play a part, but I'll wait for you to explain.

2. It's not the same interview, and DE Sidious has the same potential as RotJ Sidious, he just went further along the line. Nevertheless, 2x RotJ Sidious is pretty damn huge anyway. If we want to use exclusively EU, then Anakin's implied to be Father-tier, so yeah, way above Yoda regardless.

Didn't say anything about Sidious being miles away from Yoda during RotS at all, and Dooku's prediction is just that - Dooku's prediction.

Freshest, it could be that Anakin's midichlorians per cell * number of cells = two times Yoda's. How is that unbelievable? Size could matter, and Yoda could be an outlier.

I already mentioned that. I don't think he even addressed that.

I never figured it had much to do with midicholrians, but rather a lacking of living tissue replaced with cybernetic parts disrupted and stunted the flow of the Force through the body.

Otherwise yeah, the Zillo beast should be mad powerful and "Size matters not" would be categorically false lmao.

Just because size matters doesn't mean every large creature is automatically stronger than every smaller one.

I don't like the idea of Anakin losing his potential just because he lost body parts though. I prefer the psychological theory.

But it should mean that most massive creatures are strong in the Force, otherwise we've have to entertain that anomalies (like small people have extraordinarily high midicholrian counts per cell and large creatures having extremely low ones) to be common place.

On top of that it would cease to make sense for Jedi to only take blood samples, and not also count the number of cells in the entire body. Yet they only seem concerned about the midicholrians present in any one individual cell.

And finally again, it would make Yoda a liar with a Napolean complex.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Freshest, it could be that Anakin's midichlorians per cell * number of cells = two times Yoda's. How is that unbelievable? Size could matter, and Yoda could be an outlier.

@ Beni Maybe beyond a certain point there's an inverse relationship between count per cell and size, like it's harder for the midichlorians to spread or something.

The blood sampling thing is a good point, but the tech is advanced enough that this wouldn't be impossible to handwave.

Also it's possible that the burning decreased his count per cell by killing them.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Because Anakin's number of midichlorians per cell is more than Yoda's, which is said in TPM. And he has well over twice the amount of cells that Yoda has. Nova's just conveniently ignoring that because it doesn't support his retarded argument.

Does Obi Wan explicitly say "per cell"? And we don't know Yoda's anatomy or how many cells he has.

I mean, it's like mocking the idea that getting your limbs cut off would hurt your ability to function by pointing at people shorter than you going about their business fine - there's a difference there.

@Elm, OK but we beginning to make a lot of assumptions without real reason to do so, by Occam's Razor it makes a lot more sense that cybernetic parts just disrupt the flow of the Force.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
@Elm, OK but we beginning to make a lot of assumptions without real reason to do so, by Occam's Razor it makes a lot more sense that cybernetic parts just disrupt the flow of the Force.

It would actually explain why the most powerful Force users aren't necessarily really tall/fat/big people.

Originally posted by SunRazer
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Originally posted by SunRazer
My point is that Kun > Ragnos > Pall > Muur

Kun's the most powerful Dark Lord up to and of his time, which includes the Sith Lords I mentioned above:

"Once the most powerful and dangerous of the Dark Lords of the Sith, he [Exar Kun] was responsible for the deaths of millions four millennia before the rise of the Empire."

-- The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Ragnos was the greatest and most powerful of the Dark Lords, although, of course, you can dispute the meaning of "power" or "greatness" in these quotes:

"Marka Ragnos ruled the galaxy with an iron fist. He was the Dark Lord of the Sith — the most powerful of the most powerful. But now he is dead."

-- Tales of the Jedi: The Golden Age of the Sith 2: Funeral for a Dark Lord (Publisher's Summary)

"Meanwhile, on the far side of the galaxy, the Sith Empire has grown powerful through centuries of dark Force wielding and magic and the hundred-year rule of the greatest Dark Lord of the Sith, MARKA RAGNOS."

-- Chronicles of the Old Republic

Ajunta Pall became the reigning Dark Lord and the rest of the Exiles became his Shadow Hands, which puts him above them tbh:

"Ajunta Pall beheaded their ruler, Hakagram Graush, and claimed the throne as the blood heir to the Ancestral King Adas - and we became his Shadow Hands."

-- Book of Sith: Secrets from the Dark Side

'We" refers to the rest of the Exiles - Karness Muur, Sorzus Syn, Remulus Dreypa, XoXaan, etc. And we know that Shadow Hands are second to Dark Lords:

"The title Shadow Hand originated on Korriban, indicating the second-in-command of a Sith Master."

--Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide

"A Shadow Hand's expertise in cruelty, trickery, and the dark side are second only to the Master - for now."

-- Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide

Again, you can contest some of these - the meaning of "power" and "great" in Ragnos' quotes, and whether or not Muur surpassed Pall at some point since we don't know the nature of their demises. But that's my evidence.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Kun > Ragnos > Pall > Muur.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I have that too. 👆

Yeah, but only so you can put Malak = Ragnos by virtue of him being > Pall 😂

On a more serious note, they're mostly debatable points, but the evidence is more aligned in our favor.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Yeah, but only so you can put Malak = Ragnos by virtue of him being > Pall 😂