The gap between Muur and Vader had to be have been noticeable for him to be fantasizing over Muur's power to that extent. He even considered Muur potentially being another master to him, which means that Muur would've had to be above him by quite a noticeable degree. Even if Vader grew vastly, I doubt he would've surpassed Ragnos, who was more powerful than Pall, who in turn, was more powerful than Muur. And Kun's more powerful than Ragnos, so do the math.
So, your whole case hinges on: arbiterary rankings, with ambigious power gaps between various characters of different era's?
How in the **** is this not dodgy? 😬
I mean, as I said before --- it's nothing that can really be proved either way since the crux depends on how far the gap one views between the various characters, and upgrades involved.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
So, your whole case hinges on: arbiterary rankings, with ambigious power gaps between various characters of different era's?How in the **** is this not dodgy? 😬
I mean, as I said before --- it's nothing that can really be proved either way since the crux depends on how far the gap one interpitates the various characters and upgrades involved.
My whole case? I also mentioned his spirit feats, which you neglected to respond to. Seems like a case of tunnel vision here.
Anyway, my case is hardly unreasonable, and however "dodgy" you'd paint it to be, it's still a solid case of powerscaling. The point is that Kun could've been Muur's master, who, in turn, could've been Vader's master 🙂
My whole case? I also mentioned his spirit feats, which you neglected to respond to. Seems like a case of tunnel vision here.
Anyway, my case is hardly unreasonable, and however "dodgy" you'd paint it to be, it's still a solid case of power- scaling.
The point is that Kun could've been Muur's master, who, in turn, could've been Vader's master. 🙂
ily, but kys. <3
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Yeah, your whole power-scaling scale case - that is what I specifically quoted. As for the spirit showings, I plan to pick through the in do time. It's 2:00 AM here, bare with me.
Alright. I'll wait.
No, it's cancer for reasons reiterated two times now. We have no idea the difference in power between let's say, Muur and Kun besides Kun is > Muur. It could be gargantuan, or it could be noticeable, but marginal.
My point is that Kun > Ragnos > Pall > Muur - a total of three power curves over Muur. Now, if you want to assume each of those is gargantuan, be my guest - that just means Kun would curbstomp Vader. But I'm saying that even if it they were only noticeable, it'd still be more than how much Vader improved - in my opinion. You can try to convince me otherwise.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Kun > Ragnos
Although I agree, a reasonable argument could be made against it.
Ragnos > Pall
As above.
Pall > Muur
Doubtful, but for all intents and purposes, as above.
a total of three power curves over Muur.
Redundant. The fact that Koon>Fisto>Kolar>Tiin means that Koon's got "three power curves" over Tiin, but the fact of the matter is that they're probably nearly equal. 😬
Originally posted by NewGuy01
The same sort that conjured the one I was using it as an analogy to. Attack it if you feel the need to, but I'd implore you to instead try and stick to the point for once.
You make a good point,
I have no idea where Nova is getting his 'power-charts' from either. But I can see vaguley where he's coming from - I disagree entirely with it.
But You'll also have explain how Plo>Fisto>Kolar>Tinn works...
Originally posted by Ziggystardust
You make a good point,I have no idea where Nova is getting his 'power-charts' from either. But I can see vaguley, where he's coming from - I disgagree entierly.
But You'll also have explain how Plo>Fisto>Kolar>Tinn works...
Perhaps I would have to if it were relevant to the thread, but those Jedi were only mentioned as an example. But I digress, if it's too disagreeable, then I'll go ahead and make my point plainly.
Even if a (shaky) power hierarchy can be established between these characters, using the number of characters in the chain as a measuring stick for power difference is misguided reasoning at best. You can put as many characters in the chain as you want, but unless you have a means of scaling the difference between each of them, there's no reason to assume that person A at the top of the chain and person B at the bottom couldn't be peers.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Although I agree, a reasonable argument could be made against it.As above.
Doubtful, but for all intents and purposes, as above.
Redundant. The fact that Koon>Fisto>Kolar>Tiin means that Koon's got "three power curves" over Tiin, but the fact of the matter is that they're probably nearly equal. 😬
1. Like what?
3. I doubt it at times as well, I'm not too firm on it. But based on what we do have, it seems to be the case.
4. Where does that powerscaling come from?