Darth Vader vs. Exar Kun

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Originally posted by Ziggystardust
2/10

needs more cowbell

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Originally posted by carthage
AP won't actually admit Yavin factors in on Nearly all of Exars feats, because then he'd actually have to concede Exar can't replicate those feats per showings and on neutral ground

You tried arguing that before and I wrecked you, you didn't even reply. You must be a glutton for punishment.

The Yavin temple focal points only gave Exar Kun a means to sustain his spirit over the millennia, as I've already shown you before. In no way were they affording Exar Kun anywhere near enough power to actually do anything.

Exar Kun-who didn't technically die so much as merge with the dark side and retain his identity-resisted the dissolution of his spirit by drawing on the remarkable focusing energies of the Massassi temples on Yavin 4.
- The Dark Side Sourcebook
The Jedi chased Exar Kun to his stronghold on Yavin IV and used their combined power to strike him down and annihilate his Massassi warriors. However, Exar Kun was able to escape death by using Sith sorcery to preserve his spirit in the Massassi temples.
- Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force

Furthermore you ignore something incredibly important, Exar Kun was part of the reason why Yavin IV was so powerful in the first place:

There in front of him, starkly visible against the blackness of space, he could see the faint images of Emperor Palpatine and Exar Kun, two of the greatest focal points of the dark side he’d ever had to face. They were standing there before him, gazing back at him. And laughing.
- Specters of the Past
"You sense it too. Not the ancient Sith, or the Emperor. Not Revan."
- Satele Shan, Star Wars The Old Republic: Shadow of Revan

NOTE: The Spirit of Exar Kun is the only canonically present ancient Sith, as Naga Sadow and Freedon Nadd had long since been destroyed.

Exar Kun replaced the Spirit of Freedon Nadd as a great power in the galaxy, as he destroyed him:

"I sense something, like a great power has fallen, and another has risen in its place."
- Vodo Siosk-Baas, Tales of the Jedi: Dark Lords of the Sith Audio Drama CD #2

Your nexus wank is insignificant, let your death be the same.

Kun is the most powerful of all sith lords. Thread resolved.

But this time it's not political power?

Did Kun even have any political power? I don't think Massassi do politics tbh.

Unlikely to be that. Kun never had supreme control over a Galaxy. So any accolade detailing him ad the 'most powerful' is likely referring to his personal power.

Colliery to the point above, all of Sidious' accolades likely do refer to his prowess as the emperor.

Too bad it was retconned into past tense lol.

???

It's true, Bane is officially greater than anyone before him and is officially the most powerful Sith Lord in history:

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
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It now reads "Once the most powerful and dangerous of the Sith" in The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia. 👆

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Originally posted by Nephthys
It's true, Bane is officially greater than anyone before him and is officially the most powerful Sith Lord in history:

Yeah and considering the Banite Sith grew stronger in the Force with each generation, Kun should be a real scrub to someone whose 80% of Sidious. 🙂

Originally posted by Beniboybling
It now reads "Once the most powerful and dangerous of the Sith" in The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia. 👆

And had it ever occured to you that the 'once' is only there because he did die.

This does not retcon : the official fact files accolade whatsoever. If you're going to dismantle the accolade you would need this statement - "we regret to inform you that Exar Kun is no longer the most powerful of all Sth lords, but only the most powerful of his time".

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yeah and considering the Banite Sith grew stronger in the Force with each generation, Kun should be a real scrub to someone whose 80% of Sidious. 🙂

No, Kun is officially comparable to DE Sidious and Vitiate is more powerful than either. Therefore Bane is greater than all. Sidious is the scrub, frankly.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
And had it ever occured to you that the 'once' is only there because he did die.

This does not retcon : the official fact files accolade whatsoever. If you're going to dismantle the accolade you would need this statement - "we regret to inform you that Exar Kun is no longer the most powerful of all Sth lords, but only the most powerful of his time".

Has it ever occurred to you that it's not? And that actually its LFL house policy to avoid absolutes? Yeah I remember reading that somewhere, I think this is open to interpretation. 👆
Originally posted by Nephthys
No, Kun is officially comparable to DE Sidious and Vitiate is more powerful than either. Therefore Bane is greater than all. Sidious is the scrub, frankly.
Huh? Sidious >>>> Bane > Vitiate. Canon is pretty clear on this matter. 🙂

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Sidious >>>> Bane > Vitiate. Canon is pretty clear on this matter. 🙂

Uh, no??? Bane > Valkorion > Vitiate > Sidious = Kun. This is pretty inarguable, bro. 😬

If it says "once the most powerful of the Sith Lords", it means he's not anymore. I mean, unless you can find a quote saying "twice the most powerful of the Sith Lords".

But then, why is Ziggy questioning The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia? It's such a well-written source that it refers to Palpatine's political power in the same sentence that it mentions Yoda being unable to defeat him in personal combat.

Yeah tbh even if we intepreted as in "because he is no longer alive", that still situates the statement in the past. Kun is no longer the most powerful Sith Lord in history by Sheev's time, which leaves room for Palpy (and others) to take the mantle.

Originally posted by SunRazer
If it says "once the most powerful of the Sith Lords", it means he's not anymore.

Well yeah. Because he died.