Darth Vader vs. Exar Kun

Originally posted by The Ellimist
What feats?

It's almost as if there is a post in this very thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=15835224#post15835224

Originally posted by ares834
Yes, a non-prime Kun temporarily choked some Jedi and as soon as those Jedi attempted to overcome the choke they did. What a wonder feat!

The black silhouette turned, staring at those who resisted him. The Jedi trainees grasped their throats, straining to breathe, their faces darkening with the effort.
-_Jedi Academy Trilogy Volume 3: Champions of the Force

So you're ignoring that they collectively failed to break his grip but, whilst ignoring the context, point to Streen manipulating air molecules with AE, which he can cause hurricane strength winds with, to make Kun's grip redundant and thus his remaining energy is left inert.

I'm also finding it hilarious how you act like there's no big difference between Kun as a starved spirit and Kun in his living prime.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
What feats?

Kam smashing TIE fighters with boulders, Streen manipulating winds with hurricane strength, Dorsk 81 flattening AT-ST's, etc.

Or, you know, you can just visit the link AP posted and view the feats for yourselves.

Yeah so when the Jedi just instinctively tried to grasp at a telekinetic choke with their hands, they failed. Then one of them essentially counters Exar's TK head on via his own and not only overpowers his individual choke, but all of them.

No, no, he caused hurricane strength winds and manipulated them at the same time to reduce four TIE fighters to molten wreckage.

Which clearly puts him above the Starkiller (an also pre-prime) Vader choked.

Originally posted by AncientPower
So you're ignoring that they collectively failed to break his grip but, whilst ignoring the context, point to Streen manipulating air molecules with AE, which he can cause hurricane strength winds with, to make Kun's grip redundant and thus his remaining energy is left inert.

I'm also finding it hilarious how you act like there's no big difference between Kun as a starved spirit and Kun in his living prime.

I'm not ignoring anything, it's never stated that they attempt to break his grip. "their faces darkening with the effort" to breathe not to throw of his grip. And while Streen did breathe by forcing air down into his lungs that would still require him to power through Kun's grip.

As for this not being Kun's prime, so what? I'm sure he is capable of more in his body. But my argument has nothing to do with that, rather it's that I find this feat rather unimpressive.

Streen doesn't overpower the TK per se, he channels the wind so that air enters their lungs and counteracts the Choke (stupid, I know). It's pretty obvious they couldn't break out of the Choke hold on the merit of their own sheer power.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Yeah so when the Jedi just instinctively tried to grasp at a telekinetic choke with their hands, they failed. Then one of them essentially counters Exar's TK head on via his own and not only overpowers his individual choke, but all of them.

Good lord, do I really have to explain something that you should reach the conclusion of with common sense?

They tried resisting him and they ended up grasping their throats and their faces went dark with the effort to breathe. Then Streen used Alter Environment to manipulate molecules of air and allow his fellow students to breathe. They rendered his grip redundant, they didn't actually break it. By that point he's too weak to fight on, that was his last shot, essentially. He's reduced to goading them into giving into hate and despair.

But lets all ignore DE Luke surpassing Vader, Master Luke improving after Dark Empire and Corran Horn stating Exar Kun is more powerful than he thought even existed.

It means that Kun could constrict their lungs but wasn't powerful enough to crush bones.

*a starved spirit of Exar Kun, who is actually suggested to have been toying with them in other sources.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Streen doesn't overpower the TK per se, he channels the wind so that air enters their lungs and counteracts the Choke (stupid, I know). It's pretty obvious they couldn't break out of the Choke hold on the merit of their own sheer power.

Which would still require him to break Kun's choke. Now, I'm not entirely sure on the metaphysics of force choke, but if Kun was crushing the larynx Streen would be pushing the air through it hard enough to force Kun's grip back and open up his throat. That's still sheer power and if anything seems a hell of a lot more difficult.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
It means that Kun could construct their lungs but wasn't powerful enough to crush bones.

Horrible lowball. lol.

Originally posted by AncientPower
*a starved spirit of Exar Kun, who is actually suggested to have been toying with them in other sources.

Sort of like how Vader was suggested to have gone easy on Starkiller?

So a canon statement:

vs Sam Witwer?

It's not like one has to be true and the other has to be false. You've used authorial statements before to beef up Kun; here, we're just concluding that Vader was superior to Starkiller in TFU II. And yes, that's more impressive than beating up some trainees who can, uh, throw rocks fast and stuff.

Tbh simply by paying attention to the text its evident Vader was holding back, and in the moments he cut lose Starkiller was ****ed.

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Starkiller would phuck those trainees up, lmao. Collectively, their feats still pail in comparison to busting half a 150 meter frigate, while simultaneously erecting barriers powerful enough to deflect star level heat.

Destroying a few TIE Fighters, and hurling rocks is trash in comparison, even when timed by 6, kek. Vader TK advantage is basically cemented, tbh.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
busting half a 150 meter frigate, while simultaneously erecting barriers powerful enough to deflect star level heat.