Darth Vader vs. Exar Kun

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
DC was a debater when you couldn't even walk kid. Respect your elders.

I'm supposed to care about how long one has been debating fiction? 😂

Hey look, Ellimist is an unprecedented ancient Sith wanker 🙂🙂🙂

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I'm supposed to care about how long one has been debating fiction? 😂

You care about a bunch of tall guys shooting hoops through a basket in an imaginary game. 🙂

>Exar never won a duel through sorcery
>People think Vader would fall to it

It's time for a new genocide.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
>Exar never won a duel through sorcery

He beat Luke though.

If it weren't for Jedi Academy, I'd put Exar around Dooku tier. But that series did happen.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
You care about a bunch of tall guys shooting hoops through a basket in an imaginary game. 🙂

Imaginary?

Though I do admit NBA 2k is quite fun. 🙂

Then again, Desean (?) beat Luke, so maybe I'm placing too much weight on defeating the The Jobber One.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Imaginary?

Though I do admit NBA 2k is quite fun. 🙂

I mean, the points and teams and everything are not much more real than Star Wars. We invent them and pretend they exist for our amusement. 🙂

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
It's been a while since I played that part so no comment.

Like I said, different interpretations of the fight. Like how Galen and Shaak only dueled in the novel, while they had a force exchange in the comic. Or how Dooku choked Kenobi in the junior novel, but only force pushed him in the normal novel.

I don't hold either in higher regard than the other. Galen taking the elevator in one description in the fight, while getting Force Gripped in the other hardly means Vader can't ragdoll him. Only that he choose not to in the elevator scene.

Alright.

But the scene in the Wii version doesn't cut. It just has Galen straight up charging Vader and the fight starting while in the other version he's ragdolled before the fight starts. The two are contradictory. Not to mention if Vader was capable of doing that why didn't he simply just subdue Galen with the Force from the outset?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
He beat Luke though.

If it weren't for Jedi Academy, I'd put Exar around Dooku tier. But that series did happen.

Exar in Kyp's body on a potent dark side nexus.

Bane just got an erection.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
1. Force: Vader's feats suggest that he has the edge in raw power, but Exar's sorcery is potent enough to overwhelm JA Luke even as a weakened spirit (and I still think it's implied that full power Kun > spirit Kun + Kyp), so I'd give him the win.

But that victory was attributed to the fact that Luke lacked knowledge regarding Sith sorcery, and thus had no means of defending against it. Odds are Vader doesn't share this weakness.

The key being that they do indeed exist in our universe. The force doesn't. 🙂

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Exar in Kyp's body on a potent dark side nexus.

Still heavily suggested in multiple sources to be weaker than his living form.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Kun > Vader has never been an inconceivable notion, nor am I wanking ancient Sith to unprecedented levels. Stick to Football. 🙂

Never said it was an "inconceivable notion", but acting as if Exar is the head and shoulders favorite without question, is retarded.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
nor am I wanking ancient Sith to unprecedented levels.

Oh, really? Ludo Kressh vs Count Dooku; who wins? mmm

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Stick to Football. 🙂

Fugg. Are you ready for some football? 🙂

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
The key being that they do indeed exist in our universe. The force doesn't. 🙂

But the words on our pages and the stories they form "exist" in the sense that they're [sort of] logical constructs that we can analyze, sort of like the construct of a bunch of points and a set of rules. 🙂

Spoiler:
Football is better

Originally posted by The Ellimist
You care about a bunch of tall guys shooting hoops through a basket in an imaginary game. 🙂

No no, the game is real, your little star wars isn't.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Alright.

But the scene in the Wii version doesn't cut. It just has Galen straight up charging Vader and the fight starting while in the other version he's ragdolled before the fight starts. The two are contradictory. Not to mention if Vader was capable of doing that why didn't he simply just subdue Galen with the Force from the outset?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
But that victory was attributed to the fact that Luke lacked knowledge regarding Sith sorcery, and thus had no means of defending against it. Odds are Vader doesn't share this weakness.

Is there any evidence that Vader studied sorcery? In either case, I'm not sure if there is a reliable defense against those tendrils - Bane knew that Zannah was gonna use them and all he could do was power through them.

1. Nigga, literally all I said was that Kun takes Vader. I never once even remotely implied it was inarguable. 🙂

2. Ludo is the weakest of the ancients, Dooku. Sadow takes Dooku, though. 🙂

3. I'm always ready for Aaron Rodgers to penetrate my anus. 🙂

Is there any evidence that Vader studied sorcery? In either case, I'm not sure if there is a reliable defense against those tendrils - Bane knew that Zannah was gonna use them and all he could do was power through them.

Frankly other than their generic appearance, there doesn't seem to be any actual evidence pointing towards them being the same technique to begin with. Their actual effects were vastly different, for instance. 👆