Darth Vader vs. Exar Kun

Started by Ziggystardust52 pages
Originally posted by Ursumeles
[B]How so? Lol. They have proven that Sedriss is at least loosely comparable to Kun.

Wrong, the only quote they had in their arsenal was retconned. So the comparison has gone from this - Kun not being able to overcome Bnar, while Sedriss could - which was disproven by a more objective quote stating Bnar destroyed them both - which Beni conceded.

Beni then made the comparison that Sedirss managed to actually get Bnar to kill himself where Kun didn't, which was countered by the simple fact that Kun came out of the interaction unharmed, while Bnar could have ended a war by actually killing Kun - so why didn't he? Probably because he can't, while Sedriss was disintegrated.

An non-trying Vader and in Canon ragdolling isn't often.

The simple fact is he had them in his grasp and instead received a lightsaber to the face proves that he was simply not strong enough to ragdoll either - in the center of some ridiculously vivid darkside focal point.

You have to prove how Kun oneshots DE Luke

Already happened in canon.

Kyp+Kun+Sorcery(of which Luke did know next to nothing about at that point) on a DS Nexus? Bar sorcery, how does he oneshot him?

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Kyp+Kun+Sorcery(of which Luke did know next to nothing about at that point) on a DS Nexus?

Read : http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=625115&pagenumber=1

All the sources establish how Kun never reached parity in his physical prime when he was a spirit. Also, you are aware that Luke and his students could use the Yavin Nexus to boost their abilties ? Hence why he kept the Jedi Praxium there for the next 30 years.

Bar sorcery, how does he oneshot him?

As long as sorcery isn't restricted, i don't see why this is relevant.

I meant more in the sense, that you said he could oneshot DE Luke tier opponents. How does he does that with someone, who knows about sorcery?

How many people do you know on level with Luke's raw power that have shown experience combating sorcery? Vader hasn't. The only spell he ever attempted was in close proximity - and under the influence by - the Murr talisman, and Kun is supposedly stronger than all of those that came before him, including Murr who is > Vader. So I don't see why most people wouldn't just falter under than spell.

Caedus, Krayt, Revan.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Caedus, Krayt, Revan.

The other two are fair game, I'd say Revan in his strongest incarnation would kill Kun. Caedus' knowledge on sith techniques, however, is beyond poor comparatively. Krayt's sith gave Darth Caedus a holocron they considered useless in 40 aby, in jest of how poor Caedus' own knowledge was by comparison.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
There's plenty, and it's been a concept since Empire strikes back. Life energy was thought to be present in most living beings, surrounding and penetrating them, thus making all living things connected by the Force. If the life energy of the planet is Bnar's source of power than clearly he uses his roots to connect to whatever energy is present on the planet - which by DE isn't much.
Ziggy, I'm well aware that your argument has basis as a theory, but none of this precludes an energy source in the planetary core independent of the surface, and you've raised nothing that demands we assume it to be.

On the other hand on top of the energy Bnar unleashed against Sedriss being incongruous with the barren state of the world, there is the added fact that Bnar describes this source of power as one Kun cannot imagine. Kun presumably being familiar with Force Basics 101 as you've expounded on here, on top of harnessing said power using the Dark Reaper. And yet this energy sources falls outside of his understanding.

There still exists some people on the planet, just not that many, all translated to Kun being substantially more powerful than Sedriss - which is evident in a number of logical comparisons
Aside from the unlikelihood that Bnar planting roots to draw on this energy source has any bearing on those detached from the planet, the few survivors of the cataclysm would represent less than a percentile of the planet's previous 250 million population, its hundreds of Jedi and its celestial body of flora and fauna. And if such a fraction of Bnar's power is what he unleashed in DE, then in TotJ he should have blown Exar Kun into next week.
Now why isn't Vader able to ragdoll Kanan and Ezra?
Because of PIS? I thought we addressed Vader's jobbing already.
Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Wrong, the only quote they had in their arsenal was retconned. So the comparison has gone from this - Kun not being able to overcome Bnar, while Sedriss could - which was disproven by a more objective quote stating Bnar destroyed them both - which Beni conceded.

Beni then made the comparison that Sedirss managed to actually get Bnar to kill himself where Kun didn't, which was countered by the simple fact that Kun came out of the interaction unharmed, while Bnar could have ended a war by actually killing Kun - so why didn't he? Probably because he can't, while Sedriss was disintegrated.

To which I responded that he wasn't the same position to ensnare Kun.

So I'm afraid the comparison still stands. 👆

907 responses in a thread where the winner is so clear? Wow

When returds like Ziggy and Ching exist, these things tend to drag on.

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
907 responses in a thread where the winner is so clear? Wow

Wow indeed. Beni and Mythlord are so upset that their own comparison got utterly debunked between sedriss and Kun. Yet this what he had to say about Vader not being able to ragdoll Kanan and Ezra.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Because of PIS? I thought we addressed Vader's jobbing already.

I haven't been the one bumping it Beni 🙂

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Wow indeed. Beni and Mythlord are so upset that their own comparison got utterly debunked between sedriss and Kun. Yet this what he had to say about Vader not being able to ragdoll Kanan and Ezra.
The same conclusion everyone else has managed to reach yeah, your inability to do the same hardly my concern.
Originally posted by chingchangwalla
I haven't been the one bumping it Beni 🙂
u know u want this tho.

I think the main problem is that Beni has lost so many times against Kun, he feels the desperate urge to keep hashing up bad arguments, when he can't even defend attacks against his own favourite characters - labeling them PIS.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
The other two are fair game, I'd say Revan in his strongest incarnation would kill Kun. Caedus' knowledge on sith techniques, however, is beyond poor comparatively. Krayt's sith gave Darth Caedus a holocron they considered useless in 40 aby, in jest of how poor Caedus' own knowledge was by comparison.

Quote, please.
Caedus>Krayt, btw 🙂

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Revan in his strongest incarnation would kill Kun

The heartbreak. The betrayal.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Caedus>Krayt, btw 🙂

Krayt > Revan > Vader > Caedus

Originally posted by Beniboybling

How it would be with Caedus=Krayt>Revan>Kun, then?

Bettur, though at this moment not concrete on Caedus' standing in general.