Darth Vader vs. Exar Kun

Started by SunRazer52 pages
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Are you referring to the moment where Kun is flying through the air, and not attacking Ood at all? Or are you referring to the part before Ood had raised his barrier?

If Kun was flying back, then it only further suggests that he tried to strike with his lightsaber, but ala Kressh Gauntlet, got blasted back. Why else would his saber be in front and close to Ood?

Originally posted by SunRazer
You see him trying to attack with the lightsaber 😬 Occam's Razor would be to assume that it's with the lightsaber.

Well, he was trying to destroy Sedriss as well. It doesn't make sense that he was channeling both at once.

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Power of the Jedi states that Ood annihilated both of them with his attack, he was not using a barrier.

But he'd also want to stay alive, since he's the source of the people's power and whatnot...

Sedriss is noted as "perhaps" being capable of besting Luke, but then later sources note how Luke's command of the Force is too much for Sedriss to handle, thus Sedriss being a potentially better duelist, doesn't mean he's in any way a better Force user(in fact, he's canonically inferior) and it is through way of the Force he killed Bnar.

Also, PotJ is from Kam's subjective and fallible perspective. TNEGTC is objective and notes they annihilated each other.

Check and mate.

@Neph - Can I see the quote? If Ood destroyed them both, then that's checkmate for their argument since Sedriss didn't penetrate anything.

Already posted :
"Using his force powers, Ood destroyed himself and Sedriss forever." - Power of the Jedi pg. 136.

Originally posted by SunRazer
If Kun was flying back, then it only further suggests that he tried to strike with his lightsaber, but ala Kressh Gauntlet, got blasted back. Why else would his saber be in front and close to Ood?
But I'm not seeing the relevance, the source states that Bnar formed an impenetrable barrier that Kun could not cross, full stop, why should the fact that Kun was about to strike him down with a lightsaber when Bnar formed said barrier have any bearing on what that statement is saying?

Not only that, he leaves a Legacy behind in Dark Empire, indicating he was perfectly fine with an heroing.

Then why are we still debating? Sedriss didn't destroy anything; Ood did.

Originally posted by Beniboybling

I'm guessing you don't watch Rebels.

I suppose he deserves a medal from that? So you've proven that Vader at the height of his power can ragdoll one trainee. But apparantly two, on a visibly potent focal point of Dark energy causes some epic tug of war...

Originally posted by SunRazer
Then why are we still debating? Sedriss didn't destroy anything; Ood did.
Because people have short memories lol, the point that was made is that Sedriss proved a bigger threat to Bnar than Kun.

It also remains a point that if Bnar could have just defending himself from Sedriss attack and rendered it moot, why didn't he?

Originally posted by SunRazer
Then why are we still debating? Sedriss didn't destroy anything; Ood did.

From Kam's fallible opinion, yes. According to an objective source, they annihilated each other.

I haven't been following the discussion on this, which is you didn't see my posting anything earlier. Which is also why I'm asking a lot of questions.

Regardless, unless I'm missing something, one could also interpret it as Kun being more powerful than Sedriss since Ood couldn't obliterate both him and Kun, but he could in Sedriss' case.

He killed Sedriss to save the team apparently.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
I suppose he deserves a medal from that? So you've proven that Vader at the height of his power can ragdoll one trainee. But apparantly two, on a visibly potent focal point of Dark energy causes some epic tug of war...
I'm just pointing out the obvious PIS friend, and why nobody is taking you seriously. If you'd like to see what Vader is actually capable of I'd suggest checking out his respect thread.

Originally posted by MythLord
From Kam's fallible opinion, yes. According to an objective source, they annihilated each other.

The objective Source is an even more failable opinion written in first person. Kam as literally the only credible eye-witness, retcons it.

Originally posted by SunRazer
I haven't been following the discussion on this, which is you didn't see my posting anything earlier. Which is also why I'm asking a lot of questions.

Regardless, unless I'm missing something, one could also interpret it as Kun being more powerful than Sedriss since Ood couldn't obliterate both him and Kun, but he could in Sedriss' case.

At point blank range, if Bnar had succeeded in ensnaring Kun in such a manner I'm not seeing what guarantees his survival.

Pretty sure Ood would've blown Kun up for the sake of the War that was going on if he could've. He blew up Sedriss for less. The fact that Kun was blown back doesn't prove that Ood could've destroyed him.

Considering what we've seen, it's up to you to prove that Ood could've destroyed Kun, not me to prove the negative.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I'm just pointing out the obvious PIS friend, and why nobody is taking you seriously. If you'd like to see what Vader is actually capable of I'd suggest checking out his respect thread.

It either shows that Vader would rather take a lightsaber to the face, or that he's not powerful enough to ragdoll both at the same time. The Sedriss comparisons has been debunked, while this stands. Why is that more acceptable than this?

I'll ask again, why is Vader not powerful enough to ragdoll them both at the higher of his abilities, While Kun can choke the collective of Luke's student body in a vastly weaker incarnation?

Originally posted by MythLord
From Kam's fallible opinion, yes. According to an objective source, they annihilated each other.

Ziggy proved it wasn't an objective source, it was written by a fallible scholar.

This discussion is over.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Pretty sure Ood would've blown Kun up for the sake of the War that was going on if he could've. He blew up Sedriss for less. The fact that Kun was blown back doesn't prove that Ood could've destroyed him.

Considering what we've seen, it's up to you to prove that Ood could've destroyed Kun, not me to prove the negative.

I literally said all of this in a post Mythlord chose to ignore :

Originally posted by Ziggystardust

So the only comparison you can make between Kun and Sedriss was that Bnar killed - apparently atomized - Sedriss' body where he couldn't even put a scratch on Kun, or that he didn't try to, because he knew he couldn't, despite having the chance to end the war there and then. For you to have a comparison that stands between Kun and Sedriss, you need to show me Bnar killing Exar... and seen as you can't do that, then there is no comparison to made between them. Except for this: