Darth Vader vs. Exar Kun

Originally posted by SunRazer
Pretty sure Ood would've blown Kun up for the sake of the War that was going on if he could've. He blew up Sedriss for less. The fact that Kun was blown back doesn't prove that Ood could've destroyed him.

Considering what we've seen, it's up to you to prove that Ood could've destroyed Kun, not me to prove the negative.

Except Ood couldn't snare Exar ala Sedriss, and his attack on Kun was significantly less than what it was on Sedriss.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust

The objective Source is an even more failable opinion written in first person. Kam as literally the only credible eye-witness, retcons it.

They would've asked Luke and Kam for that event then, lmao. There's no other way they could've found out about it, because the only other people who saw that event are dead... So either Kam corrected himself or Luke, who was closer to the action, spoke it from his perspective.

Sedriss and Kun are comparable. 👆

Originally posted by MythLord
Except Ood couldn't snare Exar ala Sedriss, and his attack on Kun was significantly less than what it was on Sedriss.

He couldn't snare, but he could blow up Sedriss, lol.

The fact remains that Ood was obviously willing to destroy both himself and his opponent. The fact that he didn't do so in Kun's case constitutes a case of not being able to do so, as opposed to not wanting to do so.

What's your other source on them destroying each other, by the way?

If we're running off wonky logic like this, then the scaling I used earlier in this thread, with Kun > Ragnos > Pall > Muur > 19BBY Vader would work as well. Especially for you, since you subscribe to Muur being a mere servant of Pall's.

Originally posted by MythLord
They would've asked Luke and Kam for that event then, lmao. There's no other way they could've found out about it, because the only other people who saw that event are dead... So either Kam corrected himself or Luke, who was closer to the action, spoke it from his perspective.

LMAO.

Originally posted by MythLord

They would've asked Luke and Kam for that event then,

1) The person who wrote the source could have asked either Kam or Luke, or both for the information. They could have given them a breif account of what went on, and the scholar would have interpreted, conjectured upon the events himself

2) information that get's passed down from one witness to another, becomes more inaccurate as t goes down the line - chinese whispers - meaning Kam is the only credible person to cite on the matter.

There's no other way they could've found out about it, because the only other people who saw that event are dead

Yes, and the dead person had this to say on the matter

I'm a greater master of the Force than he

- Ood in regards to Sedriss' power

So either Kam corrected himself or Luke, who was closer to the action spoke it from his perspective.

Kam retcons the statement. And Luke was so close to the action - having to shield himself from the energy - that he didn't even know whether Odd was still live or not, making Kam the only reliable eye witness.

As we see above, Kam literally had to tell Luke what happened.

Check and Mate

If anything, Ood's attack on Sedriss would have been much less powerful than the barrier he used against Kun. Ood specifically says that he can't harm Kun and that he isn't a fighter. He used a barrier because if he'd used the power to actually fight Kun, he'd lose. However, that clearly wasn't a problem with Sedriss. The only reason Myth thinks the attack was stronger was because it was glowier, which is obviously stupid bunk. A barrier and attack would naturally look far different. Factor in that the living energy from a near-lifeless world would be far less that what he'd get from a lush, verdant Ossus of Kun's time, and a comparison actually reveals that, shock, Exar Kun is much more powerful than Sedriss!!!

I mean, duh. 😬

Originally posted by SunRazer
He couldn't snare, but he could blow up Sedriss, lol.

The fact remains that Ood was obviously willing to destroy both himself and his opponent. The fact that he didn't do so in Kun's case constitutes a case of not being able to do so, as opposed to not wanting to do so.

What's your other source on them destroying each other, by the way?

If we're running off wonky logic like this, then the scaling I used earlier in this thread, with Kun > Ragnos > Pall > Muur > 19BBY Vader would work as well. Especially for you, since you subscribe to Muur being a mere servant of Pall's.

Because Sedriss was snared, and Kun wasn't, and he put in more effort into attacking Sedriss than he did Exar.

He's willing to kill his opponents and himself, but if he could survive, he obviously would. And in Kun's case, he just tapped him. In Sedriss', they utterly annihilated each other.

I subscribe to the notion Muur was Pall's shadow hand, yes, but not insignificant in comparison. And 19 BBY Vader is inferior to Lord Vader, who Kenobi can stalemate in a Force 'bout, lol. So Exar can ragdoll Kenobi?
Tear out the front page, what big news!

Originally posted by SunRazer
Pretty sure Ood would've blown Kun up for the sake of the War that was going on if he could've. He blew up Sedriss for less. The fact that Kun was blown back doesn't prove that Ood could've destroyed him.

Considering what we've seen, it's up to you to prove that Ood could've destroyed Kun, not me to prove the negative.

In other words Ood wasn't in a position to ensnare him as he was Sedriss. And I'm not really inclined to prove anything. The argument being made for Sedriss here is that he proved a greater threat to Bnar than Kun did, you tried to counter this by claiming Bnar couldn't destroy Kun where he did Sedriss, which yes, is up to you to prove.

Originally posted by MythLord
Because Sedriss was snared, and Kun wasn't, and he put in more effort into attacking Sedriss than he did Exar.

He's willing to kill his opponents and himself, but if he could survive, he obviously would. And in Kun's case, he just tapped him. In Sedriss', they utterly annihilated each other.

Sure, but he would've destroyed Kun if he could've (it seems like we all agree), yet he didn't. The only conclusion is that he couldn't.

Also, Neph actually raised a good point about how the Living Force of Ossus would've been much weaker in DE since the planet was barren and dead.

I subscribe to the notion Muur was Pall's shadow hand, yes, but not insignificant in comparison. And 19 BBY Vader is inferior to Lord Vader, who Kenobi can stalemate in a Force 'bout, lol. So Exar can ragdoll Kenobi?
Tear out the front page, what big news!

"Lord Vader" - as if he didn't always have that name, lol. He was a Darth the moment Palpatine christened him as a Sith Lord 😬

Proof that he was weaker than a hindered Anakin?

Anyways, Vader was genuinely afraid that he might be a mere servant of Muur's, and you think Muur was a mere servant of Pall. Ragnos is stronger than Pall, and Kun stronger than Ragnos. I can't see Vader's powerscaling surpassing that many power curves.

And no, that means Muur can ragdoll Obi-Wan, let alone Kun 🙂

Originally posted by Nephthys
If anything, Ood's attack on Sedriss would have been much less powerful than the barrier he used against Kun. Ood specifically says that he can't harm Kun and that he isn't a fighter. He used a barrier because if he'd used the power to actually fight Kun, he'd lose. However, that clearly wasn't a problem with Sedriss. The only reason Myth thinks the attack was stronger was because it was glowier, which is obviously stupid bunk. A barrier and attack would naturally look far different. Factor in that the living energy from a near-lifeless world would be far less that what he'd get from a lush, verdant Ossus of Kun's time, and a comparison actually reveals that, shock, Exar Kun is much more powerful than Sedriss!!!

I mean, duh. 😬

On the other hand the attack was definitely more destructively potent than the one Luke absorbed. 🙂

As for this bunk about Ossus being a dead world, I think its already been addressed how he drew power from the planet's core, not the flora and fauna on the surface.

Originally posted by Beniboybling

As for this bunk about Ossus being a dead world, I think its already been addressed how he drew power from the planet's core, not the flora and fauna on the surface. [/B]

Wrong, that is stated by a failable scholar in the New essential guide to characters - the omniscient narrator in DE has this to say about Bnar's real source of power.

Seen as neither of you like first person sources, and were willing to disregard Kam's opinion for not being objective enough, I suppose you'll just have to agree with this.

Yes...... the living energy of a planets core...... right. 🙄

And we know that the Living energy of a planet literally means = plants and animals

Maybe the core is filled with fish like Naboo's, lol.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Wrong, that is stated by a failable scholar in the New essential guide to characters - the omniscient narrator in DE has this to say about Bnar's real source of power.

Seen as neither of you like first person sources, and were willing to disregard Kam's opinion for not being a objective, I suppose you'll just have to agree with this.

With your friend here also stating:

Cross reference that with the New Essential Guide and it's obvious he's drawing on the same energy source. 👆

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes...... the living energy of a planets core...... right. 🙄

I'll forgive you for failing to comprehend it as well.

In which case we can only assume that core of the planet is tied to the Life energy on the surface, in which case Bnar is substantially weaker than he is in DE, than TOTJ. So Sedriss was annihilated by a weakened Bnar while the latter couldn't put a scratch on Kun in his prime?

Why ends every Kun vs... therad in Kun vs Sedriss 😆
Anyway, Myth and Beni are sweeping 👆

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Why ends every Kun vs... therad in Kun vs Sedriss 😆
Anyway, Myth and Beni are sweeping 👆

They are not lol, Myth especially has been defeated on every conceivable level.And Beni failed to answer why Vader can't ragdoll Kanan and Ezra on a potent Dark-side nexus.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
In which case we can only assume that core of the planet is tied to the Life energy on the surface, in which case Bnar is substantially weaker than he is in DE, than TOTJ. So Sedriss was annihilated by a weakened Bnar while the latter couldn't put a scratch on Kun in his prime?

On the other hand given that the planet is, as you and Neph had said ad verbatim, barren and dead, I wonder how he managed to summon a beam of annihilating energy, far more powerful than what he unleashed on Kun, in an instant, with such non-existent reserves of Force.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
They are not lol, Myth especially has been defeated on every conceivable level.And Beni failed to answer why Vader can't ragdoll Kanan and Ezra on a potent Dark-side nexus.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Why? There is no reason to make that assumption.

There's plenty, and it's been a concept since Empire strikes back. Life energy was thought to be present in most living beings, surrounding and penetrating them, thus making all living things connected by the Force. If the life energy of the planet is Bnar's source of power than clearly he uses his roots to connect to whatever energy is present on the planet - which by DE isn't much.

On the other hand given that the planet is, as you and Neph had said ad verbatim, barren and dead, I wonder how he managed to summon a beam of annihilating energy, far more powerful than what he unleashed on Kun, in an instant, with such non-existent reserves of Force. [/B]

There still exists some people on the planet, just not that many, all translated to Kun being substantially more powerful than Sedriss - which is evident in a number of logical comparisons. Now why isn't Vader able to ragdoll Kanan and Ezra?