Originally posted by Ziggystardust
@Sydicate, if you're reading this, this is why it's better to attack the opposing team, rather than defend the character you like.Zoltan's practically vomiting salt at this point, all because we poked his favourite character.
You are wise milord.
Edit: Tbh you seem defensive Ziggy.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Old ass Jedi Masters? Like An'ya Kuro? Kun killed Odan-Urr within a page, including a panel where he was cheap-shotted by the latter, whilst Vader struggled against the Dark Woman for several pages.Kun's weakened spirit, in conjunction with an undeveloped Kyp Durron, absolutely wrecked post-DE Luke. Likewise, he incinerated Gantoris and Choked the entire Jedi entourage as a weakened spirit.
Long before reaching his prime (and yes, I'm aware he was enraged and on Yavin IV), his Force Blasts also annihilated Freedon Nadd's Spirit and shattered a sizeable portion of the Massassi Temple, taking down a Sith Wyrm and numerous Massassi warriors in the process.
lol @ Vader cracking the skull of someone more powerful than the Ancient Sith - Sadow, Nadd, Ragnos, Muur, etc. He's also far more powerful than any Jedi at the time - including Thon, who trapped Ambria's dark side energies inside Lake Naath. Kun cracks Vader's plastic armor with Force Blasts.
Too bad he's not capable of wrecking anyone on par with Luke while he was alive. Who cares what his spirit is capable of when he was living and more powerful none of his feats even match what he was capable of when dead, the burden of proof is on you and the other Exar wankers to show that him being in his prime means anything at all. Force spirits get annihilated by weaker force users all the time Jaden destroyed Ragnos, Sadow got beaten by some no name, Vader could easily annihilate a weakened Nadd spirit.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
You know your opponent is practically shit when they bring up salt, they've got nothing else to say so they are trying to save face.What's next? Double standards? Lies? Strawman?
I'm intrigued where Ziggy's shit tier debating is going next.
Zoltan, there is really no need to be upset. Vader is still a strong character, just don't get to bent out of shape, that he's not as strong as you'd like to be. 🙄
Because feats takes precedence over accolades? We know his spirit wasn't as powerful as his living self, that's indisputable. What's also indisputable is that Kun's more powerful than the likes of Muur, whose power 19BBY Vader was fantasizing over - you'd wonder if he'd fantasize over the power of his RotJ self the same way.
Also, the people suggesting that Kun gets destroyed because of a lack of TK feats - let's use Democrat-tier logic and say that since Vader has no feats of resisting Sorcery, Kun hypnotizes him like he did to the Senate. Or better yet, he has no feats of resisting a Force Blast, so Kun sends him to Chaos with one Blast. 👆
Muur being more powerful than Vader far from his prime has no bearing on composite Vader with all of his feats/accolades, and with regards to Legends Canon it doesn't apply to Vader as of ROTJ who is well above the one Muur could compare to. I don't care if you think his 'living self' is more powerful, his best TK feat is killing a powerless old man, and all of his best force feats occur either on a nexus or with a ritual which has no bearing on combat.
Also, the people suggesting that Kun gets destroyed because of a lack of TK feats - let's use Democrat-tier logic and say that since Vader has no feats of resisting Sorcery, Kun hypnotizes him like he did to the Senate.
His best Sorcery feat utterly failed to even hurt the force sensitives in the senate, and his blasts can be dodged, deflected, or beaten away by Vader's barrier (since they failed to do anything to a far inferior Aleema Keto). Show me any notable force feats that he's done off a nexus with Sorcery to suggest he could harm Vader
Originally posted by SunRazer
Because feats takes precedence over accolades? We know his spirit wasn't as powerful as his living self, that's indisputable *yet he still had a Luke potential force user at his disposal and a powerful dark side nexus. What's also indisputable is that Kun's more powerful than the likes of Muur, whose *spirit boosted in a an amulet had a power 19BBY Vader was fantasizing over - you'd wonder if he'd fantasize over the power of his RotJ self the same way.
Fixed it for you 👆
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Oh no, he used a witty retort instead. What shall I do now? Skillz help me! I really need to win this irrelevant verbal dickmeasuring contest to be taken seriously!
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Ohh wait, no one takes Ziggy seriously. Huh, close one. Now I can sleep in peace.
shhh no tears, Only dreams now
@Zoltan -
"yet he still had a Luke potential force user at his disposal and a powerful dark side nexus"
It's specifically stated that Kun couldn't reach full power despite Kyp, Streen, Gantoris and the nexus etc. Kyp himself described his powers as feeble relative to Kun.
"spirit boosted in a an amulet had a power"
lol Boosted? Based on what? And Muur talks about how Celeste isn't doing his power justice, so yeah, I don't think that's boosted... maybe the opposite?
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
I love how Exar wankers best arugment against Vader is that Exar > Muur > Vader, yet they ignore the accolde which says Vader > Anakin > Yoda.Kek.
Because there's also accolades that Yoda > Anakin?
"Inside the spacious interior of the Galactic Senate chamber, Yoda challenged the Emperor. The two engaged in a spectacular duel—a contest between the most powerful practitioners of the Force’s light and dark sides."
-- The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
"This truth: that he, the avatar of light, Supreme Master of the Jedi Order, the fiercest, most implacable, most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known..."
-- Revenge of the Sith Novel
Originally posted by SunRazer
@Zoltan -"yet he still had a Luke potential force user at his disposal and a powerful dark side nexus"
It's specifically stated that Kun couldn't reach full power despite Kyp, Streen, Gantoris and the nexus etc. Kyp himself described his powers as feeble relative to Kun.
"spirit boosted in a an amulet had a power"
lol Boosted? Based on what? And Muur talks about how Celeste isn't doing his power justice, so yeah, I don't think that's boosted... maybe the opposite?
Exar still had the energies of the trainees, Yavin, and others and again all of that is unquantifable nonsense. We know how powerful Kun is as he's depicted in Tales of the Jedi, and barring his rituals/prep/nexus he has no feats comparable to Vader in combat. But please keep trying to translate his spirit wank into what he's actually capable of in life when I can dig out my TOTJ comics and look and laugh at how people are trying to wank him beyond what he's displayed 😂
Originally posted by carthage
Muur being more powerful than Vader far from his prime has no bearing on composite Vader with all of his feats/accolades, and with regards to Legends Canon it doesn't apply to Vader as of ROTJ who is well above the one Muur could compare to.
Muur's also "well above" Vector Vader. And Kun's above Muur.
I don't care if you think his 'living self' is more powerful
Sources support that. So...
his best TK feat is killing a powerless old man, and all of his best force feats occur either on a nexus or with a ritual which has no bearing on combat.
You play the nexus argument a bit too much. Kun grew exorbitantly in power after his nexus showings, which compensates. Haven't brought up any ritual feats.
His best Sorcery feat utterly failed to even hurt the force sensitives in the senate, and his blasts can be dodged, deflected, or beaten away by Vader's barrier (since they failed to do anything to a far inferior Aleema Keto). Show me any notable force feats that he's done off a nexus with Sorcery to suggest he could harm Vader
His best Sorcery feat is wrecking Luke without reaching his full power. And Kun seemed to be deflecting Aleema's blast back at her, but take it however you will.
Originally posted by carthage
Exar still had the energies of the trainees, Yavin, and others and again all of that is unquantifable nonsense. We know how powerful Kun is as he's depicted in Tales of the Jedi, and barring his rituals/prep/nexus he has no feats comparable to Vader in combat. But please keep trying to translate his spirit wank into what he's actually capable of in life when I can dig out my TOTJ comics and look and laugh at how people are trying to wank him beyond what he's displayed 😂
Kun's most recent appearance was in I, Jedi, as a spirit, not as a living being in TotJ. Hard to dismiss that.
Regarding Kun's inability to return to full power being "unquantifiable nonsense" - so if you don't agree with it, it's unquantifiable? It doesn't have to be quantified, anyway. We just know that Kyp and so on couldn't return him to full power - in other words, he was still weakened. Not hard to understand.
Anyway, I'm sure you've heard that "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"? Just because Kun hasn't shown amazing feats in telekinesis doesn't mean he isn't proficient in it. Vader hasn't shown a defense to Kun's tendril attack in the JA trilogy, so by your logic, he gets one-shotted? And no, Barrier doesn't count, since DE Luke could use Barrier but it wasn't a serviceable defense for him there.
That said, if you want to push it, Kun's spirit blows back SoR Nox with TK in TOR.