Based on what is Kun incapable of replicating those showings in life? As I said, he likely repelled Aleema’s attack at her, which just knocked her out. He never expended any worthwhile effort on her.
And your concession’s accepted – statements make it perfectly clear that Kun’s more powerful than he is in JA – feats don’t matter because Kun’s upper limit in life was never shown and absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
All of the sources from Anderson to the comics to just about every source point of Yavin as a massive force nexus, and no his blasts never replicated the same intensity off nexus. But please keep repeating the same nonsense over and over, he even stated he was going to kill the other Naddists but failed. So yeah comics disagree with you.
I could care less if you think he's more powerful, evidently he's not or he would've stomped Ulic or Ood Bnar if he can choke out Luke or destroyed the force sensitives in the senate. GG his showings don't agree with you
1. So when it's a huge Force nexus, Kun and Bane's feats are worth dismissing, but when Meetra runs through an entire legion of elite Sith, Sion and Traya on an immensely powerful nexus that strengthens them and weakens her, it's not a feat worth mentioning?
2. That's your interpretation of the showings. Just about all of these showings were effortless, so no, his upper limit isn't explored.
Originally posted by carthage
He would've finished Ood But couldn't destroy him in his tree form, and let him live till thousands of years later. Totes evidence of a stomp 👆Kun's senate feat has no bearing of what he's capable of in combat, he couldn't even affect non force sensitives. So please show me how he's going to harm Vader with pitiful showings like that.
Its a good thing Vader is more powerful than anyone he's ever fought per accolades and showings 👆. Guess he has nothing to worry about in that regard when he's greater than force users like Gethzerion, Maul, and Dooku. >>>>>>> Vodo, Ulic, and random mook Jedi from his era
You're the one who has jack shit
****ing brain dead.
Kun wanted the lightsabers and when he couldn't get them he ****ed off, you know why? Because the planet is about to get wrecked by a supernova.
I could lowball Vader all day with your logic but I'm not about to devolve into that sheer void of thought.
It's a feat of magnitude against people that Vader has never come close to replicating. 👆
Exar Kun is more powerful than all of the ancient Sith and far more powerful than some of the most powerful Jedi in the mythos.
Using a Canon source to claim Vader > Gethzerion is the most bullshit thing I've seen you attempt all day.
Originally posted by SunRazer
1. So when it's a huge Force nexus, Kun and Bane's feats are worth dismissing, but when Meetra runs through an entire legion of elite Sith, Sion and Traya on an immensely powerful nexus that strengthens them and weakens her, it's not a feat worth mentioning?2. That's your interpretation of the showings. Just about all of these showings were effortless, so no, his upper limit isn't explored.
1. When did I dismiss her feats? What have Sion, Traya, and canon fodder Sith done that's notable in beating them? The fact she beat them while hindered is nice, but who cares other force users have done similar feats and have better skill showings against better force users while under normal circumstances. Meetra's just never impressed me as a swordsmen. Likewise for Bane he has plenty of showings off nexus with lightning/telepathic resistance that places him as a powerful force user. Not sure what you're trying to prove here.
2. His efforts being effortless doesn't place him above Vader, and simply stating "HIS UPPER LIMIT WASN'T SHOWN" isn't going to outrank Vader when Vader's titanic feats absolutely dwarf anything Kun was capable of living.
Originally posted by carthage
1. When did I dismiss her feats? What have Sion, Traya, and canon fodder Sith done that's notable in beating them? The fact she beat them while hindered is nice, but who cares other force users have done similar feats and have better skill showings against better force users while under normal circumstances. Meetra's just never impressed me as a swordsmen. Likewise for Bane he has plenty of showings off nexus with lightning/telepathic resistance that places him as a powerful force user. Not sure what you're trying to prove here.
"Under normal circumstances", right. None of them had Meetra's circumstances of being noticeably weakened whilst all of her enemies were considerably amped. And remember, as Ziggy said, each of those fodder would be a match for Maul 🙂
2. His efforts being effortless doesn't place him above Vader, and simply stating "HIS UPPER LIMIT WASN'T SHOWN" isn't going to outrank Vader when Vader's titanic feats absolutely dwarf anything Kun was capable of living.
It's a better banner than HAPPY FEAT.
I'm glad that you acknowledge that his upper limit wasn't shown. Ergo, his spirit feats are usable - at least for indicating his power.
Choking the Jedi/separating Luke's spirit from his body > Vader's showings. Kun takes Vader down. 👆
"Under normal circumstances", right. None of them had Meetra's circumstances of being noticeably weakened whilst all of her enemies were considerably amped. And remember, as Ziggy said, each of those fodder would be a match for Maul smile
Who cares? Even if you stick them off a nexus, they've done nothing notable and Meetra beating them doesn't place her above any duelist whose beaten someone with better showings. Sion has done nothing other than lose, Traya has no notable saber feats, and Ziggy is a retard. Troll me harder Aussie boy
It's a better banner than HAPPY FEAT.I'm glad that you acknowledge that his upper limit wasn't shown. Ergo, his spirit feats are usable - at least for indicating his power. Kun takes Vader down. thumb up
His high end feats are killing an Old man, deflecting a weakened amulet blast, and paralyzing non force sensitives, HOLY shit Vader's in trouble there 👆 What a badass
Originally posted by carthage
Who cares? Even if you stick them off a nexus, they've done nothing notable and Meetra beating them doesn't place her above any duelist whose beaten someone with better showings. Sion has done nothing other than lose, Traya has no notable saber feats, and Ziggy is a retard. Troll me harder Aussie boy
Who cares. Nexuses are enough for you to dismiss showings wholesale, so by that logic, Surik's hugely above the likes of Bane etc.
His high end feats are killing an Old man and paralyzing non force sensitives, HOLY shit Vader's in trouble there 👆 What a badass
Those were effortless, not high-end. Heck, Choking the JA Jedi and separating Luke's spirit from his body weren't high-end, it seems. Vader's in trouble indeed.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Who cares. Nexuses are enough for you to dismiss showings wholesale, so by that logic, Surik's hugely above the likes of Bane etc.Those were effortless, not high-end. Heck, Choking the JA Jedi and separating Luke's spirit from his body weren't high-end, it seems. Vader's in trouble indeed.
Again if he was capable of those feats in real life, Ood Bnar and Ulic would've been oneshot obviously its not the case which is why he died like a ***** stealing energy from primitive aliens 👆. Again neither you nor AP have shown anything to suggest he could replicate those feats in real life, and instead cop out by saying HIS UPPER LIMIT WAS NEVER SHOWN. Too bad that doesn't work in a comparison to justify his victory in combat.
1. Surik's done nothing worthwhile off Malachor to make killing mooks worth being impressive. I guess Ben Skywalker is on Meetra's tier then since he can kill Sith while hindered too 👆
1. Oh, so you do have Meetra above someone. Got it.
Anyway, Surik's beaten Atris off Malachor, stomped Visas Marr, and was a match/superior to Scourge on Dromund Kaas, another DS nexus. And according to Drew Karpyshyn, a better lightsaber duelist than Revan 🙂
2. Why would Ulic be one-shotted? Kun sensed him as a rival from across the galaxy - granted, Kun would go on to be more powerful by a more distinct margin, but that's enough to ensure that Ulic doesn't get one-shotted. Ood Bnar not being one-shotted is a good feat for him, then.
Kun's spirit feats still stand. He triumphs.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Nova, what are your argument for Exar > Vader in the Force? I'm willing to take you and AP on simultaneously, tbh.
You haven't taken on AP yet, lol.
As for my points, by virtue of powerscaling, Kun > Ragnos > Pall > Muur > 19BBY Vader, so RotJ Vader would fit somewhere in the middle, not over Kun. And then there's his spirit feats.
I've read some of your arguments a few pages ago and how you don't care for half of Kun's feats due to circumstance. His Spirit feats are still indicators of power, even if the circumstances dilute them enough to prevent them from being replicated here.
That Drew Karpyshyn quote is such bullshit lol.
He says Meetra is "probably" more skilled than Revan (the uncertainty in wording being something you yourself disagreed with the Vader being 80% of Sheev for possessing, which I actually agree with you on) prior to delving into a tirade about how uncomfortable he is answering such questions and how he can't really give a definitive answer, as well as confirming he's not taking factors such as physicality, tactics, cunning, and command of the force into account (all of which Revan is superior in btw).
Originally posted by Emperordmb
That Drew Karpyshyn quote is such bullshit lol.He says Meetra is "probably" more skilled than Revan (the uncertainty in wording being something you yourself disagreed with the Vader being 80% of Sheev for possessing, which I actually agree with you on) prior to delving into a tirade about how uncomfortable he is answering such questions and how he can't really give a definitive answer, as well as confirming he's not taking factors such as physicality, tactics, cunning, and command of the force into account (all of which Revan is superior in btw).
We all know it's bullshit, lol. That's why it's never used seriously. I use it when I'm messing around or debunking the Malak > Revan quote. Or Avellone's bullshit.
You haven't taken on AP yet, lol.
Semantics, you know what I mean. 😛
As for my points, by virtue of powerscaling, Kun > Ragnos > Pall > Muur > 19BBY Vader, so RotJ Vader would fit somewhere in the middle, not over Kun. And then there's his spirit feats.
Kinda a messy stance, given we know Vader's ower grew throughout the decades, to where he received a solid upgrade after ANH, and further increased that power in RotJ, where he reached the pinnacle of his power.
We can't really conclusively prove this either way, honestly.
I've read some of your arguments a few pages ago and how you don't care for half of Kun's feats due to circumstance. His Spirit feats are still indicators of power, even if the circumstances dilute them enough to prevent them from being replicated here.
The only showings I find suspect are his Force Blast feats; I have no problem with any of the others.