Originally posted by Lestov16
Like I said, IYO, it isn't the biggest problem. That's a subjective stance though. IMO they are both equally important and interrelated.
How is it subjective though? It's not my mere opinion that blacks kill each other far more often than cops kill them. That isn't up for debate really it is a fact.
If the goal is to stop police corruption you are going about it the wrong way. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Don't frame this as a racial issue. Think about it...KCH: Keep Cops Honest. Or Keep Cops Honorable. That has a clear cut motive, to end police corruption which is something that doesn't just effect one race in this country. It doesn't separate races, it tells you that police brutality isn't acceptable no matter what color your skin is.
You then speak to the entire population instead of just "Black Lives Matter" which is all about only blacks as if nobody else ever dies at the hands of cops(nobody is arguing everything happens evenly to each race). Also when you call it BLM it opens you up to what I was just doing: you say black lives matter and ignore the biggest takers of those lives.
It's all about how you frame something. BLM sometimes behaves as if they almost don't want anyone to be on their side or to care about what they want.
Originally posted by Surtur
How is it subjective though? It's not my mere opinion that blacks kill each other far more often than cops kill them. That isn't up for debate really it is a fact.If the goal is to stop police corruption you are going about it the wrong way. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Don't frame this as a racial issue. Think about it...KCH: Keep Cops Honest. Or Keep Cops Honorable. That has a clear cut motive, to end police corruption which is something that doesn't just effect one race in this country. It doesn't separate races, it tells you that police brutality isn't acceptable no matter what color your skin is.
You then speak to the entire population instead of just "Black Lives Matter" which is all about only blacks as if nobody else ever dies at the hands of cops(nobody is arguing everything happens evenly to each race). Also when you call it BLM it opens you up to what I was just doing: you say black lives matter and ignore the biggest takers of those lives.
It's all about how you frame something. BLM sometimes behaves as if they almost don't want anyone to be on their side or to care about what they want.
Just spoke with my dad and he agrees with you partially. He said Chicago's murder rate is insanely high. Also he disagrees that it is an effect of police brutality, and says it has to do with the "gangsters rap" culture that is contemporarily popular. If you've read my rants on rap
music that I've posted, you'd know I am rather inclined to agree.
He also agreed with you that more blacks should speak up, but he noted that blacks don't speak against their own for the same reason cops don't: they don't want to be ostracized as traitors
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I imagine widespread poverty and poor public education have more of an impact on gang violence than rap music.
What say you to this ridiculous assertion
How are black gangs going to stop if police keep arresting non violent offenders and placing them in prisons to be indoctrinated into street gangs? Police corruption has to stop in order for gang violence to subside.
Also, a reasonable argument can be made that crime causes poverty
Originally posted by Lestov16
Just spoke with my dad and he agrees with you partially. He said Chicago's murder rate is insanely high. Also he disagrees that it is an effect of police brutality, and says it has to do with the "gangsters rap" culture that is contemporarily popular. If you've read my rants on rap
music that I've posted, you'd know I am rather inclined to agree.
Well I can't imagine anyone saying the murder rate in Chicago was high due to police brutality. As for gangster rap? I just don't buy it. People always just want to blame whatever is popular at the time. Movies, tv, video games, music, books. That is too easy though.
He also agreed with you that more blacks should speak up, but he noted that blacks don't speak against their own for the same reason cops don't: they don't want to be ostracized as traitors
I understand this mentality, but it just goes back to what I said before: who has more to lose? It's not the cops. In other words the code of silence in the black community does more damage to itself than the cops are doing by staying equally silent. So both sides can be stubborn, but the reality is the consequences for that are not going to be equal.
Nah, gangsta rap is unlike any other form of music. When Drowning Pool talks about letting bodies hit the floor, they aren't convicted murderers advocating mass murder. But gangsta rappers are convicted criminals advocating drug trafficking and robbery. It's far more influential.
What do you advocate be done? If gangsta rap, poor education budgets, and unjustly high incarceration rates/lack of trust in police aren't the problem, then what is the problem? Nobody is just naturally violent. If we are going to stop black violence that means scrutinizing why they are violent.
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
What say you to this ridiculous assertionAlso, a reasonable argument can be made that crime causes poverty
Originally posted by you get thorns
You still sounded smarted when you admittedly didn't understand what you were talking about.
You actually legitimately still seem confused as to what you are even talking about. It's okay man, we're all here to help you work through it. It's just try to learn to spell words right if you're going to act like a smug dick.
Originally posted by Omega Visioni know it happens but i don't think it's a prevalent problem.
I actually do agree that many non-violent criminals become violent after being sent to prison, and that's a huge problem with our society. We're sending people to prison who probably don't need to be in prison and come out of it much worse than they entered.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Nah, gangsta rap is unlike any other form of music. When Drowning Pool talks about letting bodies hit the floor, they aren't convicted murderers advocating mass murder. But gangsta rappers are convicted criminals advocating drug trafficking and robbery. It's far more influential.
Most gangster rappers are studio gangsters.
What do you advocate be done? If gangsta rap, poor education budgets, and unjustly high incarceration rates/lack of trust in police aren't the problem, then what is the problem? Nobody is just naturally violent. If we are going to stop black violence that means scrutinizing why they are violent.
I'm sure education and things like that are part of the equation. But there are uncomfortable truths though, and in the black community you have a large amount of children with no fathers around. This is a big problem. Stop f*cking men and having their god damn babies when you know they have no interest in being a father. That is another problem nobody wants to talk about, despite statistics of the amount of black children who grow up without fathers in the home.
I don't know how many stories I've heard of these women leaving their kids at home so they can go clubbing(and then all the kids end up dead in like a house fire or some shit). Another story a woman beat her baby dadddy WITH her baby! Then she lied about it to the cops lol(but she beat the guy with her baby as a weapon in front of people so it didn't work), because the cops are suddenly knights in shining armor when it comes to f*cking up the life of one of these black men these women claim they "have the backs" of. Yet they'll then turn around and toss them in jail for lack of child support payments..even though they knew before they f*cked him the guy had no interest in being a father.
My advice to the community is stop ignoring the gigantic f*cking elephant in the room. Stop ignoring this utterly toxic behavior that causes all these issues.
School is the same way. You could build a billion dollar facility with the best teachers in the world and it wouldn't mean shit because some of the kids have no interest in getting an education. That is why these things are hard to take seriously because again it assumes the problem is just with society as a whole and by fixing those things the community will be fixed, but no lol. It doesn't work that way. The kids at my brothers school were actually given ipads and shit to all use in school, the school spent a pretty penny on them. Guess what? Yeah, a majority of them ended up stolen. You see education means nothing if your child is an utter monster because you're a shitty parent.
So IYO the problem comes from bad parenting? I guess that's true, but can't that be said of all of the world's anthropogenic violence? Rather than protesting cops or blacks, should we just start protesting the parents? It's well known how racist white and black families proselytize their kids to become violent cops or gangsters, respectively, so really it's the fault of the older generation.
I have no problem blaming the old generation for our generations problems. The old generation is still screwing us by voting on things like Brexit, Trump, and Clinton when it's clear the youth wants change.
Really it comes down to the fact that people from the previous generation think they're smarter because they're older, and fail to realize their way of living is obsolete in our new tech-driven world.
I agree with you that at the end of the day it is about myopic older people who have no care about the youth. Bad parents who either spoil, abuse, proselytize, or abandon their children are responsible for everything, both the cop and gang violence. It's all from irresponsible parenting and a lack of care of empathy for the youth.
Really though, your argument opens up the door to another topic: misogyny and objectification, especially in the black community.
All of these women trying to be the materialistic whores you see dancing in back of a rap video. I really don't mind if one is promiscuous. I've even defended pornstars promiscuity, but you have to be responsible with it.
I get it, that sex feels better without a condom, and it's too much hassle to take birth control,but guess what? Sex is a responsibility and if you want to hit it raw, you better have taken the measures to ensure no unintended effects. Because regardless of how good orgasms feel, sex is the natural process for reproducing offspring, and yet the reproduction aspect is treated as some kind of possible side effect rather than the main purpose.
This a problem for both men and women. IMO, nobody should have unprotected (without condoms or contraceptives) sex until they are married. Unfortunately, there's no way to enforce this without massively violating human rights and civil liberties.
So the youth are stuck with their violent and libertine culture and we are forced to watch them ruin their lives. This is why I attack rap music. It's practically the symbol of the culture.