Originally posted by cs_zoltan
For a millennium, the Sith maintained the order in secrecy, passing down their evil heritage. As they gained knowledge of the dark side of the Force, their powers increased with each generation.
--Taken from Episode 1: The Phantom Menace Scrapbook
The first refers to powers in a political sense.
The second refers to the number of powers accessible to them.
It doesn't take much mental gymnastics to figure that out, your mongolaid Hungarian prostitute of a sister got that much 👆
Originally posted by Ziggystardust
The first refers to powers in a political sense.The second refers to the number of powers accessible to them.
It doesn't take much mental gymnastics to figure that out, your mongolaid Hungarian prostitute of a sister got that much 👆
You even suck at trolling. You are just an utter failure, aren't you?
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
You even suck at trolling. You are just an utter failure, aren't you?
I'll tell you what I am Zoltan. Smarter than you, that is all. But lets take a critical look at your sacred - and indisputable - Banite scaling theorem. Here, not only do we have a premise based on blind faith in the source text, but also a theory that is likely to be a misinterpretation of the text itself. You assume the word power means power in the Force. Common sense disagrees, but so do the people responsible for those sacred and infallible source-books. Leland chee had this to answer regarding Palaptine being the most powerful.
Question asker - "Right, one question Leland: say if we were having a debate on who was the most powerful sith ever, and a random sourcebook states that Sidious is, would that make it absolute, and render the discussion over, or would is still only be a matter of opinion and still up for debate?"
Leland Chee himself - "There's always going to be room for interpretation and debate. Is the power being measured referring to his mastery over the dark side of the Force, the governmental powers he wields as Emperor , or some combination of both?"
If that's his take on the continuity in general, then there is no reason to apply the same logic here. For Bane's sith lords - power - can refer political and economic standing within the Galaxy. For example - When Tenebrous was searching for a Sith apprentice, he manipulated a powerful InterGalactic Bank agent named Caar Damask into meeting his future wife, knowing that if they had a child (Plagueis) , their offspring would be strong in the Force - but he'd also have a large influence of the Galatic economy. And of course, Sheev's ascension from an untarnished ambassador to supreme ruler of the Galaxy, does for-fill the 'power' scale prophesied by Bane. This shouldn't be to hard of a concept to grasp, but seen as I'm fairly certain you have a learning disability, then perhaps I could draw pictures?
Originally posted by Petrus
It's not all mental gymnastics, Plagueis outright stated Bane's prowess was considered legendary.
And that means... What? lol
The idea that Bane was surpassed by subsequent generations of Sith Lords and the idea that Bane's powers were legendary are not mutually exclusive. Ancient Spartans were a legendary fighting force... And they'd still be utterly annihilated by any contemporary fighting force.
Behold, no contradiction. Bane is simply the weakest of his line.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
And they'd still be utterly annihilated by any contemporary fighting force. .
The political power argument is a neat one, but considering that by Plagueis' own omission, most of the Banite Sith did little to advance the Grand Plan, and rather where distracted by personal ventures (Plagueis and Sidious doing most of the leg work) it's arguably even more problematic a reading.
Nor does there exist a direct correlation, or frankly any correlation, between knowledge of the dark side, and an advancement of political power, so its seems rather a stretch to interpret in that manner.
I'm also not seeing any concrete reasons for why the Banite line increasing in power in this manner is unlikely, when it was intended to do so by design.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
I'm also not seeing any concrete reasons for why the Banite line increasing in power in this manner is unlikely, when it was intended to do so by design.
Yeah, but it was Bane's design 😬
What a dilemma for DMB. Bane is either the weakest member of his line, or he is a failure like Ziggy.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Trying to argue Banite scaling raises the Banite masters is one thingTrying to argue it somehow lowers Bane beneath the point his feats would otherwise place him at, or arguing it somehow carries over to apprentices who never attained the rank of mastery is unfounded BS
Nobody's actually arguing that, though. We know exactly where Bane stands, he has three novels dedicated to him and various spinoffs. The reasoning you're talking about is only used in a hypothetical "if Tenebrous/co. were weak" scenario, as a kind of reverse reasoning. Vader and the others are superior to Bane because their fears are superior; not because they [didn't?] surpass a Banite master.
Honestly, I place: Kun, Valkorion, Malgus, Jadus, Remulus Dreypa, Muur, Ulic, Pal, Sadow, Ragnos, Hord, Nadd, and maybe even Ludo Kressh above Bane -- and maybe even Nihilus. Depends, tbf.
Then, there is all the Banite Sith that came after him --- yes: Vader, Dooku, and Maul included, maybe even Venamis, too.
I would also put the likes of Krayt, Caedus, Wyyrlok (III) above him as well. So yeah, I wouldn't put Bane in my top 50, personally.