Originally posted by NewGuy01
Nobody's actually arguing that, though. We know exactly where Bane stands, he has three novels dedicated to him and various spinoffs. The reasoning you're talking about is only used in a hypothetical "if Tenebrous/co. were weak" scenario, as a kind of reverse reasoning. Vader and the others are superior to Bane because their fears are superior; not because they [didn't?] surpass a Banite master.
I don't agree with who you have above Bane, but if they aren't a Banite master and didn't match a Banite master in combat, you need reasoning other than Banite scaling. You don't apply Banite scaling to Maul/Dooku/Vader, so while I definitely disagree with you having them above him (especially Maul wtf), I'm not accusing you of using that bullshit argument.
The political/economic/milatary argument is fine 👆
Cognus for example had plenty of networking skills, despite her sadistic tendencies. She even found friendship in a Princess of some planet - and you do realise Sith lords posses the ability to mind controll people, yes? That simple execution of such a technique - on the right person - could mean a planets worth of resources, military, infrastructure and bureaucracy ?
Originally posted by Ziggystardust
The political/economic/milatary argument is fine 👆Cognus for example had plenty of networking skills, despite her sadistic tendencies. She even found friendship in a Princess of some planet - and you do realise Sith lords posses the ability to mind controll people, yes? That simple execution of such a technique - on the right person - could mean a planets worth of resources, military, infrastructure and bureaucracy ?
That's low Dark Jedi level stuff.
Originally posted by ZiggystardustLmao what are you implying? That as the Sith grew more powerful their ability to influence others and so become more politically powerful increased as well?
The political/economic/milatary argument is fine 👆Cognus for example had plenty of networking skills, despite her sadistic tendencies. She even found friendship in a Princess of some planet - and you do realise Sith lords posses the ability to mind controll people, yes? That simple execution of such a technique - on the right person - could mean a planets worth of resources, military, infrastructure and bureaucracy ?
Wait doesn't that mean... oh yeah right lol.
Originally posted by TrocityHonestly reading this:
"Ultimately, Bane's plan produced more powerful Sith Lords with each generation."Cognus and co. moving up that political ladder LMFAO.
For a millennium, the Sith maintained the order in secrecy, passing down their evil heritage. As they gained knowledge of the dark side of the Force, their powers increased with each generation.
--Taken from Episode 1: The Phantom Menace Scrapbook
And interpreting it to be referring to their political or economic powers is just ****ing stupid lmao.
This is the same case as with the Exar Kun quote Nova mentioned in another thread, it depends on the context in which this quote is given. The word 'power' has quite litteraly dozens of different meanings, like Ziggy already mentioned, it goes from political power to Force Power however to make a distinction between those is difficult. Now we can take a look at the Bane trilogy (and partly Darth Plagueis's novel) to gain more knowledge in which context these quotes apply. Bane creates the Rule of Two to make sure the Sith as a whole make progress towards their ultimate goal (= the destruction of the Jedi Order) instead of their personal progress, which causes infighting. Bane purposefully said that the true power of the Dark Side was not just combative Force Power, which is only a means to an end, but deception, manipulation, ... and that they (the Banite Sith) would destroy the Jedi not trough military prowess but by using their skills of manipulation and ... (which Palpatine eventually does).
So in that context it's pretty much possible that the Banite scaling isn't referring (only) to combatively prowess since Darth Bane himself said it was more important to advance as an organisation. This by no means makes these quotes wrong, on the contrary, it shows again that accolades can have different meanings dependent on the context in which it's created.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Honestly reading this:For a millennium, the Sith maintained the order in secrecy, passing down their evil heritage. As they gained knowledge of the dark side of the Force, their powers increased with each generation.
--Taken from Episode 1: The Phantom Menace ScrapbookAnd interpreting it to be referring to their political or economic powers is just ****ing stupid lmao.
How so? Bane himself says the TRUE power of the Dark Side is manipulation, deception, ...
Originally posted by Emperordmb
I could see Cognus ****ing with the political ladder quite a bit tbh given her insane foresight.
To be honest, Bane mentioned that Cognus's foresight was a valuable asset for the Sith Order, again implying it's more important advance as an organisation instead of personal power.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Honestly reading this:For a millennium, the Sith maintained the order in secrecy, passing down their evil heritage. As they gained knowledge of the dark side of the Force, their powers increased with each generation.
--Taken from Episode 1: The Phantom Menace ScrapbookAnd interpreting it to be referring to their political or economic powers is just ****ing stupid lmao.
People are stupid and hilariously biased. It's really that simple.
Perhaps a simple quote isn't completely binding. But the "political power" argument holds no weight with a statment like this.