Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He didn't exactly get removed, as he's coming back for IX...

My guess is they wanted to re-create the success of the Original Trilogy, which had different directors... Lucas directed only ANH.

Three different directors sure, but iirc Lucas wrote the general story for all three (and i read that he was heavily involved overseeing Marquand in ROTJ). So there's a consistency there that doesn't seem to exist with the new movies. I wanna see IX though, as it'll be interesting to see what Abrams does with it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't give a shit. Those scores are based off of a tiny percentage of those who actually watched the film. Furthermore, TLJ has significantly more reviews than JL does on imdb and RT and pissed off fanboys are more likely to reviewbomb stuff than those who liked it.

TLJ is far more well liked than critics. Anyone who watches the two movies would probably conclude that TLJ is the better made film, and if they still put it under JL its most likely for personal expectations.

They didn't "remove" him. He was still the executive producer on the film. He just didn't direct it.

It isn't. In several ways its superior. TFA is more consistent and took less risks but as a movie both are excellent in approximately a similar capacity.

Fan expectation is the reason for much of the backlash, this is true. The film merely being "decent" is not, however.

Those are top cites for fans and audiences to consult.

If the sites are wrong then why should anyone else be correct?

TLJ:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_the_last_jedi/

https://www.google.com.gt/search?ei=TfVcWvuECs3xzgKht664BQ&q=The+Last+Jedi+box+office&oq=The+Last+Jedi+box+office&gs_l=psy-ab.3...5126.5126.0.5643.1.1.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..1.0.0....0.ofsHpl37gXI

TFA:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_episode_vii_the_force_awakens

https://www.google.com.gt/search?q=The+Force+Awakens+box+office&oq=The+Force+Awakens+box+office&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.5072j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Not only did the Force Awakens got better critics and audience scores, but it made almost a $Billion more than TLJ!

Do you still think that TLJ is better?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Three different directors sure, but iirc Lucas wrote the general story for all three (and i read that he was heavily involved overseeing Marquand in ROTJ). So there's a consistency there that doesn't seem to exist with the new movies. I wanna see IX though, as it'll be interesting to see what Abrams does with it.

Agree.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Quanchi:

Quanchi with his stupidities again:

Next time you decide to support Quan read his statements before replying.

I wasn't addressing Quan. We've discussed this in the past. Not great to dig into someone's reading comprehension while appealing to hypocrisy.

I was addressing you and your statements about what people agreed with, along with you referencing a host of links, as some implication it's evidence of how good or bad the film is. You told me to look at these to evaluate "how good Quan thinks it is." To make this crystal clear, your links and Quan claiming it's superior says jack shit about the film's quality, seeing as it's subjective.

I don't "support" Quan. Him liking the movie and me liking the movie is not a "Quan endorsement."

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander

Not only did the Force Awakens got better critics and audience scores, but it made almost a $Billion more than TLJ!

Do you still think that TLJ is better?

There isn't much to talk about here, really.

Originally posted by Nephthys

It isn't. In several ways its superior. TFA is more consistent and took less risks but as a movie both are excellent in approximately a similar capacity.

Fan expectation is the reason for much of the backlash, this is true. The film merely being "decent" is not, however.

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Originally posted by The Lost
I wasn't addressing Quan. We've discussed this in the past. Not great to dig into someone's reading comprehension while appealing to hypocrisy.

I was addressing you and your statements about what people agreed with, along with you referencing a host of links, as some implication it's evidence of how good or bad the film is. You told me to look at these to evaluate "how good Quan thinks it is." To make this crystal clear, your links and Quan claiming it's superior says jack shit about the film's quality, seeing as it's subjective.

I don't "support" Quan. Him liking the movie and me liking the movie is not a "Quan endorsement."

There isn't much to talk about here, really.

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Okay, as I said you misunderstood the situation.

I was making direct opposition to Quan's statement. Not describing the movie as a whole.

I like the movie too, but an not saying it was "Superior" or "The best film" as he suggested.

Those sites are considered pretty accurate and valid.

But you've got the right to disagree with 'em.

Damn it! I better got the Glade ready! When Quanchi logs in his gonna come with his big pile of shit!

😂 😂 😂

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Okay, as I said you misunderstood the situation.

I was making direct opposition to Quan's statement. Not describing the movie as a whole.

I don't know what that means. "Direct opposition?" He said he found the film superior and said it was the best film. You then said TFA was superior and said his opinions didn't matter because "he was alone." How does this dull his point? How is this "opposition" to his statement?

What am I missing here?

I like the movie too, but an not saying it was "Superior" or "The best film" as he suggested.

Those sites are considered pretty accurate and valid.

But you've got the right to disagree with 'em.

So what if you didn't directly say it? You keep on skirting around the fact that you haven't outright said it's bad but you said it was a mess, said the site are "considered accurate and valid", said you enjoyed it but "it wasn't good."

You're weasel wording and it's annoying.

"Accurate and valid?" What does that mean? Valid as opinions? I agree with that. "Accuracy?" These are subjective lists containing subjective opinions about a subjective film. There is no "measuring" of quality to be had here and audience scores, random film lists, and whatever else is not "evidence."

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Those are top cites for fans and audiences to consult.

If the sites are wrong then why should anyone else be correct?

TLJ:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_the_last_jedi/

https://www.google.com.gt/search?ei=TfVcWvuECs3xzgKht664BQ&q=The+Last+Jedi+box+office&oq=The+Last+Jedi+box+office&gs_l=psy-ab.3...5126.5126.0.5643.1.1.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..1.0.0....0.ofsHpl37gXI

TFA:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_episode_vii_the_force_awakens

https://www.google.com.gt/search?q=The+Force+Awakens+box+office&oq=The+Force+Awakens+box+office&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.5072j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Not only did the Force Awakens got better critics and audience scores, but it made almost a $Billion more than TLJ!

Do you still think that TLJ is better?

Opinions shouldn't really be considered "correct" at all tbh. There are plenty of movies that were panned that were re-examined and loved later on. Or loved and were later panned. Reviews from a tiny fraction of watchers don't necessarily mean anything.

No, I think they're about as good as each other in different ways. TFA benefitted from being the first of a new trilogy and a lot of positive hype. It would take a miracle to match it in the box office or fan response.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Three different directors sure, but iirc Lucas wrote the general story for all three (and i read that he was heavily involved overseeing Marquand in ROTJ). So there's a consistency there that doesn't seem to exist with the new movies. I wanna see IX though, as it'll be interesting to see what Abrams does with it.

Yeah I’ve heard that as well about ROTJ.

Marquand was basically just the named Director, but it was Lucas in charge. Much more so than ESB.

Originally posted by The Lost

I don't know what that means. "Direct opposition?" He said he found the film superior and said it was the best film. You then said TFA was superior and said his opinions didn't matter because "he was alone." How does this dull his point? How is this "opposition" to his statement?

What am I missing here?

So what if you didn't directly say it? You keep on skirting around the fact that you haven't outright said it's bad but you said it was a mess, said the site are "considered accurate and valid", said you enjoyed it but "it wasn't good."

You're weasel wording and it's annoying.

"Accurate and valid?" What does that mean? Valid as opinions? I agree with that. "Accuracy?" These are subjective lists containing subjective opinions about a subjective film. There is no "measuring" of quality to be had here and audience scores, random film lists, and whatever else is not "evidence." [/B]

I wonder why i bother sometimes.

I am having a discussion with Quanchi.

He is praising the film as the best/superior all the crap!!!! Which is obviously him trolling! (As i proved by the links and pages in my following statements).

I am directly arguing him and countering his statements. He says the movie is the best, am telling him it's a mess (Am just following his form of debating).

This isn't my discription of the movie but rather a dispute between me and Quan

This is my original review of the film: Found in page 90, way before Quanchi came to shit on the thread.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Overall the movie was mediocre!

The story overall was good. I liked it....But considering it was The Force Awakens' continuation....The movie was SHIT!

We expected better Space Battles.
We expected a formal training (Rey being formally trained by Luke)
We expected a Luke vs Snoke scene.
We expected a TON MORE than the shit we were sold.

As you can see, it's a different perspective from what am arguing with Quan.

Originally posted by The Lost

"Accurate and valid?" What does that mean? Valid as opinions? I agree with that. "Accuracy?" These are subjective lists containing subjective opinions about a subjective film. There is no "measuring" of quality to be had here and audience scores, random film lists, and whatever else is not "evidence." [/B]

Accurate: Means it isn't erroneous. Those sites take hundreds of thousands of fan votes and critics votes. If you want to have an accurate ranking of a movie, then those sites are for you.

Valid: Valid for debating or comparing films, due to their accuracy in information.

It isn't evidence? Whaatttttt???

Originally posted by Nephthys
Opinions shouldn't really be considered "correct" at all tbh. There are plenty of movies that were panned that were re-examined and loved later on. Or loved and were later panned. Reviews from a tiny fraction of watchers don't necessarily mean anything.

No, I think they're about as good as each other in different ways. TFA benefitted from being the first of a new trilogy and a lot of positive hype. It would take a miracle to match it in the box office or fan response.

It's hundreds of people voting. If you want to know much the audience liked the film, then you should check those sites.

So again, does the LJ looks like a "superior" film to TFA?

LIKE REALLY!!!? Is TLJ better than TFA?

Not according to the critics, fans, and box office records.

If to you it is a better movie, then your opinion is respected.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thats just shit talking because I hound the other suspects. Don't take that as objectivity. What I'm saying is based off of the facts. His power was on another level and how you feel about his supposed death (haven't seen the finale) is subjective and irrelevant.

He wasn't directly beaten in a fair duel. This is also one gripe about Kylo is he didn't take him head on. Being your own man is thing but at least have the balls to be direct about your actions. It's about as weak as Palpatine going after Plagueis when he's sleeping. If your wife poisons you D. Thor does that mean she beats you in a fair fight ? No, it doesn't.

Remember that one time this happened?

Not going to waste time with your other comments. It's weak to me. It just seems like you're not being genuine so, overall, our discussion won't last long. Like it was all some "ruse" about how you were saying the film was a mess and directly alluding to it being bad just to "counter Quan" or some shit when from the get-go, you said "it was shit" (your words).

No sense in going back and forth about that.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Accurate: Means it isn't erroneous. Those sites take hundreds of thousands of fan votes and critics votes. If you want to have an accurate ranking of a movie, then those sites are for you.

Valid: Valid for debating or comparing films, due to their accuracy in information.

It isn't evidence? Whaatttttt???

An "accurate ranking" for what? The film's quality? If that is what you're suggesting, you're wrong. The quality is subjective and these numbers only give us some information regarding how some of the audience and critics felt regarding the film.

"Valid for debating or comparing films, due to their accuracy in information."

Valid for debating what?

Also, valid for comparing what? Whether or not RT-browsing audience members enjoyed TLJ more than TFA? I guess. Does that tell us which is better? Explain that, if that's how you feel.

Originally posted by Surtur
Remember that one time this happened?

He is a troll. That's what he is.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Three different directors sure, but iirc Lucas wrote the general story for all three (and i read that he was heavily involved overseeing Marquand in ROTJ). So there's a consistency there that doesn't seem to exist with the new movies. I wanna see IX though, as it'll be interesting to see what Abrams does with it.

Yeah, correct.

TFA had 3 writers, then Jonhon arrived for TLJ...

Originally posted by The Lost
Not going to waste time with your other comments. It's weak to me. It just seems like you're not being genuine so, overall, our discussion won't last long. Like it was all some "ruse" about how you were saying the film was a mess and directly alluding to it being bad just to "counter Quan" or some shit when from the get-go, you said "it was shit" (your words).

No sense in going back and forth about that.

An "accurate ranking" for what? The film's quality? If that is what you're suggesting, you're wrong. The quality is subjective and these numbers only give us some information regarding how some of the audience and critics felt regarding the film.

"Valid for debating or comparing films, due to their accuracy in information."

Valid for debating what?

Also, valid for comparing what? Whether or not RT-browsing audience members enjoyed TLJ more than TFA? I guess. Does that tell us which is better? Explain that, if that's how you feel.

That's what usually happens when you participate into a dispute between two persons without having knowledge on the situation

If you want to debate me, then debate this (Which is my official view of TLJ rather than what am trashing at Quanchi)

Overall the movie was mediocre!

The story overall was good. I liked it....But considering it was The Force Awakens' continuation....The movie was SHIT!

We expected better Space Battles.
We expected a formal training (Rey being formally trained by Luke)
We expected a Luke vs Snoke scene.
We expected a TON MORE than the shit we were sold.

That's exactly why I posted several critics/audience pages. So you guys can't come with the excuse "It's only a sector of the audience/score".

The whole point here is: The fans aren't satisfied with the movie. That's what those pages are showing.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
It's hundreds of people voting. If you want to know much the audience liked the film, then you should check those sites.

So again, does the LJ looks like a "superior" film to TFA?

[B] LIKE REALLY!!!? Is TLJ better than TFA?

Not according to the critics, fans, and box office records.

If to you it is a better movie, then your opinion is respected. [/B]

No, no. I've seen this before and it needs to go. Now.

If someone thinks the movie is better and/or good, and someone thinks it's worse and/or bad? These are the same. Critic scores, audience scores, and whatever the fuck else? This does not give one perspective an "edge" over the other. It just means more people agree with one perspective over the other in specific circumstances.

Stop. Seeking. Validation. For. Your. Perspective.

Seriously. Box office, audience scores, and whatever? It's not "proof", nor is it even an argument that the film is better or worse when compared to TFA or standing on it's own.

So, if to you it is worse, that's fine. Don't try to materialize your completely internalized perspective or think it's "more correct" because a wide variety agree with you.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
[B] That's exactly why I posted several critics/audience pages. So you guys can't come with the excuse "It's only a sector of the audience/score".

This definitely doesn't seem to be your only motivation for posting those. Have you seen your own posts?

It's also not an excuse because it is only a sector of the audience. Even if the audience score was at 95%, it's only a sector of the audience, unless you are legitimately suggesting that only about 500,000 people have seen it. Watch how ridiculous this actually looks: "Oh look, the IMDB score is 7.5 (which is above average as a score) and that's 287,000 people VERSUS Rotten Tomatoes' 175,000 people that's just under fifty percent! Look at the score distribution too: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2527336/ratings?ref_=tt_ov_rt"

Like, who honestly cares? Speak your piece, explain how you feel, discuss the movie, and whatever else but PLEASE STOP SEEKING VALIDATION, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
He is a troll. That's what he is.

I'm gonna be posting that picture as much as I can.

It would be hilarious if someone made a sig out of it.

Originally posted by Surtur
Remember that one time this happened?

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