Sure, they're some dovin's that can rip moons out of their orbits, and pull entire capital ships through hyperspace. The shield ripping, mass atomizing, missiles swallowing, etc --- is what they're capable of on average. The one Kyp moved, however, was capable of swallowing a ****ing ship, 100 meters long, IIRC. So I say, it was a bit more powerful than your average one.
Surely sporting better feats than the one that exhausted Luke's Force reserves for days.
"The one Kyp moved, however, was capable of swallowing a ****ing ship, 100 meters long, IIRC. So I say, it was a bit more powerful than your average one."
Fair enough. I'll take that as it's maximum capabilities.
Logically we know Luke > Kyp. If Luke was exhausted for days by affecting a Dovan Basil and Kyp was not then we have to assume the Dovan Basil Luke affected was more powerful.
Whether Kyp is more powerful than Luke or not, isn't exactly relevant, LMAO.
We just know he replicated a feat that the lattee performed, to a greater extent, empirically. As I said before, it's prolly the greatest raw TK showing in the entire mythos --- and a testament to the kind of power Kyp can bring to the table in battles.
Somebody has to answer my question of whether or not Luke was flinging ships into the dovin basal at the same time before we can deduce whether Kyp's feat is better.
And no, it's not a testament to the power Kyp can bring into battles, because Kyp doesn't have time to sit there and concentrate all of his power in a realistic fight.
"Whether Kyp is more powerful than Luke or not, isn't exactly relevant, LMAO."
It kind of is though?
"We just know he replicated a feat that the lattee performed, to a greater extent, empirically."
How do we know it was to a greater extent? Logically that wouldn't make much sense.
"As I said before, it's prolly the greatest raw TK showing in the entire mythos --- and a testament to the kind of power Kyp can bring to the table in battles."
If what you said in the post above this one is true that wouldn't be the case.
This is the quote from the post above your last one: "The one Kyp moved, however, was capable of swallowing a ****ing ship, 100 meters long, IIRC."
This would mean that Kyp has TK equivalent to this feat. Now I don't know how much power is needed to accomplish this but I'd assume feats like Dorsk 81's own outclass it.
No, Luke was not "tossing ships" LMAO. Dunno where you got that from, KEK.
I meant the raw power he is capable of, obviously. No shit, he isn't going to be sending of telekentic shoves with hundreds of thousands of tons of kenetic force in combat.
Stop trying to misinterpret my post, with retarded nitpicking. 👆
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
No, Luke was not "tossing ships" LMAO. Dunno where you got that from, KEK.I meant the raw power he is capable of, obviously. No shit, he isn't going to be sending of telekentic shoves with hundreds of thousands of tons of kenetic force in combat.
Stop trying to misinterpret my post, with retarded nitpicking. 👆
Do you have the quote with Luke's feat?
it kind of is though?
How do we know it was to a greater extent? Logically that wouldn't make much sense.
By "greater extent", I meant the degree by which both were accomplished. Kyp seemed to preform the feat with more left in that tank than Luke, tbh. We can argue Luke's Dovin was more powerful, but really, were is the evidence that supports that stance?
This would mean that Kyp has TK equivalent to this feat. Now I don't know how much power is needed to accomplish this but I'd assume feats like Dorsk 81's own outclass it.
"Umm, I guess? Even if Luke is more powerful,"
Nova says there's a quote that outright states Luke is the most powerful Jedi during that time...
"Kyp could have just outperformed him on that day."
Kyp would have to have some sort of feats establishing parity prior for that to be reasonable explanation.
"Regardless, it shows that the two, indeed, share adjacent parity in terms of raw power ---- at least at that point in time."
Since we don't know how powerful the Dovan Basil Luke affected was I have to call that assumption into question.
"By "greater extent", I meant the degree by which both were accomplished. Kyp seemed to preform the feat with more left in that tank than Luke, tbh. We can argue Luke's Dovin was more powerful, but really, were is the evidence that supports that stance?"
You're right in that we don't have anything supporting how powerful the Dovan Basil Luke affected was which leaves us with two options. To assume it was =< the Dovan Basil Kyp affected and put Kyp > Luke in raw power. Or to assume that it was > then the Dovan Basil Kyp affected putting Luke above Kyp. Since there are quotes establishing Luke as the most powerful Jedi I find it logical to go with the latter option.
"Well, sure. But I was aiming more for un-amped, non-nexus feats, honey."
Oh god. Don't pull the "honey, boy, young man, kid, insert phrase that establishes yourself as a mature/intelligent individual speaking down to someone inferior to yourself" trick. It's way too overdone.
*Shrug* I don't know if it beats Sidious being able to take apart an Imperial Palace tbh. What does "swallowing" a ship mean. Does it mean the DB broke down the ships matter or?...
Nova says there's a quote that outright states Luke is the most powerful Jedi during that time...
The "even" in that sentence, was more of an in spite of, than anything else. Of course Luke is > Kyp, but not by much. At least by that point.
Kyp would have to have some sort of feats establishing parity prior for that to be reasonable explanation.
Ragdolling freighters, one-shotting Leviathan's, Kyp has subtly manipulated Jaina Solo telepathically, the musing that he's capable of pulling of the Sun Crusher feat sans Kun's amp, etc. Not to mention, the fact Luke himself musing Kyp's potential is greater than his own.
Not like that matters anyway --- this feat itself proves parity.
You're right in that we don't have anything supporting how powerful the Dovan Basil Luke affected was which leaves us with two options. To assume it was =< the Dovan Basil Kyp affected and put Kyp > Luke in raw power. Or to assume that it was > then the Dovan Basil Kyp affected putting Luke above Kyp. Since there are quotes establishing Luke as the most powerful Jedi I find it logical to go with the latter option.
You can rock with the latter if you wish, but I'd like to introduce a third option; Kyp just outperformed Luke at that specific point and time. On days/off days, situational resolve, circumstantial intunement with the Force, etc,can all factor into such.
Regardless, though, it at least proves they do indeed share parity, no matter how you slice the pie.
"Oh god. Don't pull the "honey, boy, young man, kid, insert phrase that establishes yourself as a mature/intelligent individual speaking down to someone inferior to yourself" trick. It's way too overdone.
Dunno why you think I'm saying this in a condescending way, LMAO. This is a free internet forum, jokes aside, I don't claim to be smarter than anyone. You talk about me always being mean to you, yet accuse me of being arrogant when I'm just being friendly. 😬
*Shrug* I don't know if it beats Sidious being able to take apart an Imperial Palace tbh. What does "swallowing" a ship mean. Does it mean the DB broke down the ships matter or?...
Completely atomizing it until there is virtually no matter left? The force required to do that to a 100 + ship is ridiculously high. Waaaay more than the force required to just move it. Not to mention, Durron was also fighting against the Dovin Basal itself, while moving the cruiser atomizing singularity.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
The "even" in that sentence, was more of an in spite of, than anything else. Of course Luke is > Kyp, but not by much. At least by that point.Ragdolling freighters, one-shotting Leviathan's, Kyp has subtly manipulated Jaina Solo telepathically, the musing that he's capable of pulling of the Sun Crusher feat sans Kun's amp, etc. Not to mention, the fact Luke himself musing Kyp's potential is greater than his own.
Not like that matters anyway --- this feat itself proves parity.
You can rock with the latter if you wish, but I'd like to introduce a third option; Kyp just outperformed Luke at that specific point and time. On days/off days, situational resolve, circumstantial intunement with the Force, etc,can all factor into such.
Regardless, though, it at least proves they do indeed share parity, no matter how you slice the pie.
Dunno why you think I'm saying this in a condescending way, LMAO. This is a free internet forum, jokes aside, I don't claim to be smarter than anyone. You talk about me always being mean to you, yet accuse me of being arrogant when I'm just being friendly. 😬
Completely atomizing it until there is virtually no matter left? The force required to do that to a 100 + ship is ridiculously high. Waaaay more than the force required to just move it. Not to mention, Durron was also fighting against the Dovin Basal itself, while moving the cruiser atomizing singularity.
Given their relative feats by that point I'd question that. Unless we're saying Galen Marek also rivals Luke.
Again none of those aside from possibly the telepathic feat should be outside of Marek's own capabilities. I don't have a problem with you establishing Kyp's parity with Luke outside of the Dovan Basil feat if you're willing to acknowledge Galen would have it as well. At least by the end of TFU when he's matching Sidious.
Only if we're excepting a certain range on the power of the Dovan Basil Luke affected.
I just don't think Kyp has showed enough parity with Luke by this point to have accomplished a similar feat with much better results even if Luke was having an "off day." But to meet you halfway here I can agree that while the Dovan Basil Luke affected was likely more powerful it probably did not exceed the power of Kyp's own by a vast margin.
Only if we're excepting a certain range on the power of the Dovan Basil Luke affected.
Apologies. Most people use those terms in an antagonistic manner. Personally I prefer you use my username or given name if you're addressing me.
The singularly its itself is what Kyp is moving and thus what he's fighting against, correct? Also is that what the DB did to the ship? Atamoize it?
Originally posted by Jmanghan
I don't own the novel, I own the game, and both have the same level of canon, and the novel is BASED on the game, and what happens in the novel is stupid, they try to treat Galen as a force noob when he clearly ****s up everything in his path.
The novel came out before the game and offers a far greater description on the subject. Besides, we have confirmation Galen is no match for Palpatine and that Palpatine was tooling with him the entire time.