Anakin Skywalker vs. Mace Windu

Started by Syndicate10 pages

Originally posted by The Ellimist
If Dooku really was a match for Yoda, how come he still couldn't beat him on Vjun! while Yoda was distracted? Why does his peer, Windu, stand no chance against Sidious before vaapad kicked in?

I'd say it's also possible that, in addition to holding back, AotC Yoda was rusty.

Vjun where lightsiders; Anakin, Whie and Scout all expressed how they felt far more powerful on the planet and then demonstrated capabilities superior to that of their normal performance. Given Dooku and Yoda's fight fell in line with how their fight went on Geonosis I have no reason to believe Vjun amped Dooku anymore then it did Yoda.

Because Mace is less powerful and any number of other logical reasons.

Holding back? I don't find that likely.

"He looked over at Yoda. "Master Yoda, you and I have been close since I was a boy. An
infant. Yet if ending this war one week sooner—one day sooner—were to require that I
sacrifice your life, you know I would."
"As you should," Yoda said. "As I would yours, young Obi-Wan. As any Jedi would any
other, in the cause of peace." - Revenge of the Sith.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Outsped? Where does it say Vos beat Dooku because he was faster? It says he beat him because he was more aggressive/ferocious. What do you mean? He reacted to Anakin just fine. He just couldn't handle the force of his kinetic strikes generated by his own strength combined with Djem So.

Dark Disciple
The count went from standing perfectly still to a blur, but Vos was faster. He leapt up and over Dooku, just in time to prevent the red blade from severing his legs. Dooku whirled as Vos's blade slashed down and caught it on his own. Vos kicked out in a long swipe, angling his body to force his enemy's blade down. Dooku let himself fall, seizing Vos in the Force and hurling him across the room. The count extended his arm, and Force lightning leapt from his hand.

But Vos wasn't there. He stretched out his own hand and Dooku's lightsaber flew into his open palm. Vos smiled, a cruel, satisfied smile. Dooku appeared unrattled, blasting another round of Force lightning. While Vos crossed both green and red lightsabers in front of him in a protective X, Dooku made a pulling motion with his other hand, and Vos was flipped backward. The red lightsaber returned to its owner, and the fight continued.

Both Jedi watching were prepared to act if need be. Indeed, Anakin was more than eager to do so. But, truth be told, Vos seemed to be holding his own against Dooku. He leapt, sprang, ducked, and tumbled. Dooku might have been a master of technique, but Vos's characteristic unpredictability-quite possibly even to himself-often gave him the edge.

As it did now. Vos all but danced around Dooku, forcing the older man to whirl, strike, and block from every side. And then-there it was. Dooku overextended-only a trifle-and the next thing Kenobi knew the count's lightsaber was across the room and the count himself was on his back.

Vos smiled down at the defeated Sith. The tip of his lightsaber was a centimeter away from Dooku's throat.

Dark Disciple
"As one, Anakin and Obi-Wan sprang from their place of concealment. Dooku leapt up, hissing, "Jedi!"

Obi-Wan was too devastated to speak. He lunged for Dooku, kicking the count's legs out from underneath him, then thrust out his hand. Dooku's lightsaber flew toward him from the corner of the room where it had rolled. Obi-Wan ignited it and placed the tip a hair's breadth away from Dooku's chest.

Anakin had targeted Vos, head-butting him and snatching up Vos's lightsaber. He stood over Vos, pain and anger warring on his face as he spoke. "I am happy to say that this little unholy alliance you two have formed is officially over!"

Originally posted by Syndicate
You're free to hold that opinion if you like.

Makes a lot more sense than thinking they're actually on par.

Didn't Yoda regret not being more ruthless in AotC? His opinions in RotS may be totally different.

Why would one assume that Dooku had an advantage over Yoda on Vjun? Uh, because the text implies that Mace would be Dooku's equal on neutral ground, but not on Vjun. 😬

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Didn't Yoda regret not being more ruthless in AotC? His opinions in RotS may be totally different.
Yoda knew what was at stake. He failed against Dooku just as he failed against Palpatine. It's only worse he didn't beat someone he's better than when he had the opportunity in aotc. Only slight pass I give him is he had to protect his friends which allowed Dooku the time he needed to flee.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Didn't Yoda regret not being more ruthless in AotC? His opinions in RotS may be totally different.

Especially since he could've... you know... ended the war on Geonosis by killing Dooku and letting Obi-Wan die as he claimed he would do in the ROTS novel, but he didn't.

Also, if Yoda and Dooku were really that closely matched on Geonosis, then Dooku not attacking Yoda while his eyes are closed, his lightsaber is deactivated, his back is turned, and his focus is on TKing the collapsing pillar makes absolutely no sense.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Yeah, but it's only ever retaliatory, .i.e. he hurls Dooku's shit back at him.

Well, obviously.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Makes a lot more sense than thinking they're actually on par.

Fair enough. I concede the point. Really need to read that sh!tty novel.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Why would one assume that Dooku had an advantage over Yoda on Vjun? Uh, because the text implies that Mace would be Dooku's equal on neutral ground, but not on Vjun. 😬

*Shrug* It doesn't change the fact that Anakin, Whie and Scout state they feel more powerful and Whie and Scout outright demonstrate power beyond what they're normally capable of. And they're all lightsiders.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Especially since he could've... you know... ended the war on Geonosis by killing Dooku and letting Obi-Wan die as he claimed he would do in the ROTS novel, but he didn't.

I feel the difference there is that Anakin was the Chosen One and Yoda prioritized Anakin's life over Dooku's as even a galactic scale war means little when the balance of the Force is at stake. Just my perspective though.

If we're pretending Yoda behaves logically, then he could've just Force shoved Anakin and Obi-Wan out of the way instead of manipulating the pillar.

And how much stock did Yoda put in that prophecy? In TPM he didn't even want Anakin to be trained, and in ROTS he said the prophecy could've been misread.

Lol. If SW was logical he would've just held Dooku's ship in place.

We have to create logic where there is none to fill in George Lucas's enormous gap.

Well a lot of your arguments here are related to Yoda behaving logically... which just doesn't appear to be the case at all... almost ever.

He doesn't. But that's not because he's a character who is illogical but rather the writer behind SW is. Unless we're assuming Yoda is an idiot ( which while you're free to do I'd rather refrain from doing so ) I have to assume he had a reason for doing what he did. Thus I assume he didn't simply reach out and keep Dooku's ship from departing because his fight with Dooku tired him out.

Originally posted by Syndicate
He doesn't. But that's not because he's a character who is illogical but rather the writer behind SW is. Unless we're assuming Yoda is an idiot ( which while you're free to do I'd rather refrain from doing so )

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t596664.html

He has had several pretty massive blunders in judgement, with the pillar thing being something I'd tack onto that.

Originally posted by Syndicate
I have to assume he had a reason for doing what he did. Thus I assume he didn't simply reach out and keep Dooku's ship from departing because his fight with Dooku tired him out.

His fight with Dooku tired him out... yet Yoda can get electrocuted to the point of blacking out then have a much much longer duel with the even more powerful and deadly Darth Sidious and keep up with him? That just doesn't make any sense.

What makes more sense is that this is another example of Yoda behaving in a way that is illogical.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t596664.html

He has had several pretty massive blunders in judgement, with the pillar thing being something I'd tack onto that.

His fight with Dooku tired him out... yet Yoda can get electrocuted to the point of blacking out then have a much much longer duel with the even more powerful and deadly Darth Sidious and keep up with him? That just doesn't make any sense.

What makes more sense is that this is another example of Yoda behaving in a way that is illogical.

Fair enough. I can't dispute the logic of SW being illogical.

Originally posted by SunRazer
The new canon fact file claims that they were almost equal, with Yoda having a slight edge.

Picture/Quote?

Apparently:

"Yoda and Dooku were almost equals, with the little Jedi Master having perhaps a slight edge over his former padawan."

-- The Official Star Wars Fact File #34 (2014)

I wouldn't know the context of it, but I was told it related to skill. Obviously physicals/power would be a different story.

The latest fact files are a joke 👆