Anakin Skywalker vs. Mace Windu

Originally posted by Syndicate
Does that apply to your compatriot Zoltan as well considering he did the exact same thing just now or is he immune because he agrees with you? 😛

Well no because like I said you've been called out by Multiple Posters, not just by 1 known Troll.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Also I called you retarded because you can't seem to understand the meaning of basic text.

Irony

Originally posted by Syndicate
I mean I don't think Stover's novel is all that hard to comprehend despite it's flowery language.

Which is why I explained the context of that passage for you. Shouldn't be too difficult for you to grasp.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Yes, one of Djem So's weakness is it's lack of mobility.

One that lead to Skywalker being smacked onto the floor.

Originally posted by Syndicate
??? It says that Makashi has trouble meeting the kinetic power Djem So was capable of generating, especially so when facing 2 opponents. It never makes note that Makashi stops having trouble defending against the kind of kinetic energy Djem So is capable of generating once the second opponent is dispatched.

It never actually makes note that Makashi has trouble defending against Djem So period.

Originally posted by Syndicate
I'm generally aware of Makashi's function, yes. Your point being?

I made my point quite clear. Go back and read it.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Given Anakin's strength isn't enough to even pressure Dooku before he begins employing Djem So it's obviously not just his superior physicals that are allowing him to do so well against the Count.

Given Dooku has defended against Anakin's Djem So plenty of times in the past, you're not really making much sense.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Quan is a friend of mine actually

😂

Originally posted by Syndicate
so I'd appreciate it if you'd kindly keep him out of this.

Does he seem like he's keeping me out of this? Or out of any debate in the SW forum.

He's obsessed with me. He pretended to convert to SW fandom just to try and get one over me after he continuously backed down from my Jedi/Sith vs Khan battlezone challenges, and instead just kept trolling me, until I eventually put him on ignore. Now he's more obsessed than ever.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Oh and to quit being retarded.

Think it's pretty clear whose being retarded.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Apparently:

I wouldn't know the context of it, but I was told it related to skill. Obviously physicals/power would be a different story.

2014?

Not sure if that'll be Canon tbh.

Think the first canon source books came out in 2015 as part of the Journey to the Force Awakens.

The Canon/Legends split happened a few months before #34 came out. And the fact that it was revised again for the 2014 release makes me believe that it was done in accordance with that split.

Originally posted by SunRazer
The Canon/Legends split happened a few months before #34 came out. And the fact that it was revised again for the 2014 release makes me believe that it was done in accordance with that split.

I understand your logic, but Legends stuff was still being released at that time, and as far as I'm aware, the first canon source books came with the "Journey to the Force Awakens".

I might be wrong, but that's how I've understood it.

Anakin can win here but its all about the state of mind he's in. I fully believe that Anakin circa ROTS would be a match for Mace in sabers, as for him fluking out with Dooku, he almost killed the guy when they fought 1v1 in TCW so Im pretty sure he's just all around better than Dooku by the time of their final battle in ROTS

Originally posted by Syndicate
You mean on Vjun where 3 lightsiders; Anakin, Whie and Scout all said how they felt much stronger on the planet and demonstrate greater power then they would otherwise be capable of off planet? Lol.

I don't give a shit how they felt. Yoda is a lightsider, Vjun is a dark side nexus. Do the math.

Furthermore, Yoda specifically makes note how on Vjun no jedi would be match for Dooku:

The Count's blade was quick as a viper striking. Among the other Jedi, perhaps only Mace Windu would have been his equal on neutral ground: but here on Vjun, steeped in the dark side, his bladework was malice made visible—wickedness cut in red light.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well no because like I said you've been called out by Multiple Posters, not just by 1 known Troll.

Irony

Which is why I explained the context of that passage for you. Shouldn't be too difficult for you to grasp.

One that lead to Skywalker being smacked onto the floor.

It never actually makes note that Makashi has trouble defending against Djem So period.

I made my point quite clear. Go back and read it.

Given Dooku has defended against Anakin's Djem So plenty of times in the past, you're not really making much sense.

😂

Does he seem like he's keeping me out of this? Or out of any debate in the SW forum.

He's obsessed with me. He pretended to convert to SW fandom just to try and get one over me after he continuously backed down from my Jedi/Sith vs Khan battlezone challenges, and instead just kept trolling me, until I eventually put him on ignore. Now he's more obsessed than ever.

Think it's pretty clear whose being retarded.

Multiple posters who've go out of their way to troll me in the past.

Ditto.

Read above.

Because he didn't account for and compensate for said weakness in his fighting style which he did later on as Vader by creating a fighting style employing multiple forms but based around Djem So.

It says that Makashi has trouble defending against the power of the kinetic strikes it can generate. One has to assume this makes already physically strong blows far more effective given Anakin's performance against Dooku beforehand when employing another form.

Couldn't pay me all the money in the world to reread that post.

??? RotS makes note that Dooku had no idea Obi Wan or Anakin were a Soresu or Djem So master respectively. Granted the RotS novel was made before TCW but if we're using composite versions we have to fill in blanks created by contradictions. Luckily I don't believe it's even mentioned that Anakin or Obi Wan use Soresu or Djem So against Dooku prior to RotS.

*Shrug* That has nothing to do with the debate and it's between you and him so I'd appreciate it if you stuck to the topic.

I do as well. Hint: It's you.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well no because like I said you've been called out by Multiple Posters, not just by 1 known Troll.

Irony

Which is why I explained the context of that passage for you. Shouldn't be too difficult for you to grasp.

One that lead to Skywalker being smacked onto the floor.

It never actually makes note that Makashi has trouble defending against Djem So period.

I made my point quite clear. Go back and read it.

Given Dooku has defended against Anakin's Djem So plenty of times in the past, you're not really making much sense.

😂

Does he seem like he's keeping me out of this? Or out of any debate in the SW forum.

He's obsessed with me. He pretended to convert to SW fandom just to try and get one over me after he continuously backed down from my Jedi/Sith vs Khan battlezone challenges, and instead just kept trolling me, until I eventually put him on ignore. Now he's more obsessed than ever.

Think it's pretty clear whose being retarded.

Your logic is so trollish these days and you argued since Vader is a badass pilot he offers more to the empire than Palpatine the guy who manipulated a galaxy in order to put together. Simply ridiculous. How did Vader do as a pilot in A New Hope when he defended the Death Star ?

I have not lied about anything Star Wars related and you tuck tailed and ran from me. You'll never live down backing down the day of on a matchup you claimed was a stomp on Vader's favor against my Khan. 😂

@Zoltan: It doesn't say Mace wouldn't be his equal on Vjun as well. It just suggests he's more powerful on Vjun which falls in line with multiple lightsiders also feeling and demonstrating greater power on planet.

Whie

"There was a clatter, like old sticks clacking together. Just as Scout scrabbled up to the lip of the next cavern, a grinning white skull peered down at her. A bony arm reached out with a skeletal hand at the end of it. Whie was using the Force to make the frail bones hover in the air.

"You look like you could use a hand," he said, in that high, squeaky voice, and the floating finger bones clutched around her wrist.

Scout screamed and smacked her arm down on the limestone. The bones snapped and splintered. The floating skeleton-no bigger than a child-held its hand, now missing its fingers, up in front of its empty eye sockets.

"Whoa. Now I'm stumped," he squeaked in his little-boy voice.

A second skeleton, this one the size of a grown man, came bobbing through the air to join the first.

"Careful there, junior," Whie said in an ugly parody of a mother's voice. "This one's feisty."

Scout's heart hammered in her chest.

"Whie. Stop it."

"Just having a little fun," Whie said, appearing. "Scout, it's incredible. There's something about this place-can't you feel it? I've never felt the Force so strongly. Normally I would have to concentrate just to hold all these bones in the air, but here..."

He hummed, waving his lightsaber like a conductor's baton. The two skeletons joined hands and began to dance." - Dark Rendezvous.

Anakin

"I love this planet. It's just steeped in the Force. I could feel it the moment we touched the atmosphere. I'm usually a good pilot-"

"Great pilot," Obi-Wan admitted.

"-But here it was like the ship's hull and my skin were the same thing. I could feel exactly how much heat she could take, how much torque, how many rolls..."

The difference between Coruscant and here is like the difference between swimming in fresh water and in the ocean. I feel so buoyant."

Anakin tapped the hatch lock and launched himself outside with a towering leap. Bright glares of blasterfire sparkled around the hatch, but he was through, twisting in the air, a blaster in each hand, firing as he went, one, two, three, four shots-two droids holed through their video sensors, running blindly across the hillside, sparks shooting from their scrambled sensor arrays. Anakin hung in the air for an impossibly long time, let himself fall at last into a shoulder roll, two more shots at a droid trying to sneak up behind him, taking off its weapon hand and blowing out a knee, and then he was standing, perfectly balanced, with the blaster pistols steaming in the thin Vjun rain.

"I could walk on water," he said." - Dark Rendezvous.

Scout

"Usually the Force only helped Scout predict her enemies' moves when they were face-to-face, but the air of Vjun was rich even for her, and a prickling premonition had danced over her skin seconds before the caves started to collapse." - Dark Rendezvous.

"Ventress was swinging for the girl, but the Force was strong in Scout, too, in this place and hour, and her parry was there before the killing blow could fall." - Dark Rendezvous.

You mean two padawans and a knight notorious for using the dark side? 😬

Yoda flat out says Vjun is dark side nexus and not favourable to jedi.

Now please bring up your irrelevant evidence for a third time, like you always do.

Anakin didn't use the Darkside normally.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Multiple posters who've go out of their way to troll me in the past.

Ares goes out of his way to Troll you? Really? Because he's not known for that.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Because he didn't account for and compensate for said weakness in his fighting style which he did later on as Vader by creating a fighting style employing multiple forms but based around Djem So.

Which is irrelevant to this discussion. We're talking about Anakin beating Dooku right now, which you're excusing as a clash of forms. But as you can see the clash of forms seemed more on Dooku's side if anything due to Djem So's lack of mobility.

Originally posted by Syndicate
It says that Makashi has trouble defending against the power of the kinetic strikes it can generate.

No it doesn't say the underlined part.

Originally posted by Syndicate
One has to assume this makes already physically strong blows far more effective given Anakin's performance against Dooku beforehand when employing another form.

And this is really the jist of this isn't it. That it all comes down to your assumption.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Couldn't pay me all the money in the world to reread that post.

And here's the problem people have debating you. You just seem to turn a blind eye to the valid points made breaking your arguments down.

Originally posted by Syndicate
??? RotS makes note that Dooku had no idea Obi Wan or Anakin were a Soresu or Djem So master respectively. Granted the RotS novel was made before TCW but if we're using composite versions we have to fill in blanks created by contradictions. Luckily I don't believe it's even mentioned that Anakin or Obi Wan use Soresu or Djem So against Dooku prior to RotS.

LMAO if you think Anakin never used his primary form in the numerous fights he had against Dooku.

Fact is if we composite them, then this whole passage is really non-canon.

Even if we just take the Novel version as the highest form of canon (it's not), you're still wrong, because Dooku mocks Anakin once, and he's able to deflect all his blows just fine. You think he stopped using Djem So at that point Lol.

Like I said, Dooku's form was never an issue for the rest of the fight. The only issue was Anakin's Raw Power.

Originally posted by Syndicate
*Shrug* That has nothing to do with the debate and it's between you and him so I'd appreciate it if you stuck to the topic.

I pretty much am. You're the one whose just skipping over whole points I'm making, including the fact that everyone's called you out on this form thing, except for the 1 guy whose known to basically disagree with me for the sake of it.

Originally posted by Syndicate
I do as well. Hint: It's you.

Hmm well let's see. I've broken down every point you've made. Whereas you're not even capable of comprehending the points I'm making so you just skip over them, without addressing them, or even acknowledging them. And it's too difficult for you to reread them Lol. If I'm the retard how come it's you whose displaying all the characteristics of one? Hmm

In the book didn't it describe Anakins strikes just as strong as like a meteor. Thus I would take that as whatever form he used he would still have that strength, it's just Djem So allowed him to better use that strength. Not necessarily the form itself is what killed Dooku, rather it's that he went up against Anakin, who was just really strong and powerful.

I agree that it was the combination of the form allowing Anakin to take full advantage of his strength that allow him to defeat Dooku. This makes sense given Djem So practioners and strong individuals have faced and lost to Dooku before.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Ares goes out of his way to Troll you? Really? Because he's not known for that.

Which is irrelevant to this discussion. We're talking about Anakin beating Dooku right now, which you're excusing as a clash of forms. But as you can see the clash of forms seemed more on Dooku's side if anything due to Djem So's lack of mobility.

No it doesn't say the underlined part.

And this is really the jist of this isn't it. That it all comes down to your assumption.

And here's the problem people have debating you. You just seem to turn a blind eye to the valid points made breaking your arguments down.

LMAO if you think Anakin never used his primary form in the numerous fights he had against Dooku.

Fact is if we composite them, then this whole passage is really non-canon.

Even if we just take the Novel version as the highest form of canon (it's not), you're still wrong, because Dooku mocks Anakin once, and he's able to deflect all his blows just fine. You think he stopped using Djem So at that point Lol.

Like I said, Dooku's form was never an issue for the rest of the fight. The only issue was Anakin's Raw Power.

I pretty much am. You're the one whose just skipping over whole points I'm making, including the fact that everyone's called you out on this form thing, except for the 1 guy whose known to basically disagree with me for the sake of it.

Hmm well let's see. I've broken down every point you've made. Whereas you're not even capable of comprehending the points I'm making so you just skip over them, without addressing them, or even acknowledging them. And it's too difficult for you to reread them Lol. If I'm the retard how come it's you whose displaying all the characteristics of one? Hmm

When has Ares called me out?

Dooku's knowledge of Djem So's weakness was certainly beneficial to him but if Djem So is inferior to Makashi because it has a weakness that a practitioner of any form could exploit then logically a Djem So practitioner would lose to a practitioner of any other form if the fighters had any parity. Since that's obviously not the case I have to call BS on that.

It says meeting it head to head and logically defending against it would be more difficult then another form given the power behind the strikes will be more powerful and thus harder to parry/deflect.

Yes. Logical assumption is valid imo.

Nah. I address every lackluster point you make. I'm just not going to bother to repeat myself.

IF we composite them? That's what we always do in non specified threads. In contradictions in a composite thread you simply utilize the source you feel is the most accurate since neither canon/legends takes priority. You're talking about when he uses Dun Moch on Anakin and Anakin struggles to cage his emotions leading to Dooku's taunts? That's not Anakin in his standard state so I don't know why you'd think that's a relevant example. It was a mix of Anakin being enraged, Anakin's augmented strength and the use of Djem So as evidenced by Anakin's performance before switching to Djem So.

All the little lemmings can continue to jump off the cliff if they want. I won't be swayed by appeals to popularity.

Given I've addressed every single one of your points and you still don't seem to even be comprehending the fact that I've done so I'd say that's a likely factor in the cause of your delusions.

Originally posted by Syndicate
I agree that it was the combination of the form allowing Anakin to take full advantage of his strength that allow him to defeat Dooku. This makes sense given Djem So practioners and strong individuals have faced and lost to Dooku before.

So with that its not the form itself that gives Anakin an advantage over Dooku, it's just that Anakin himself was stronger than Dooku in that instance.

Push

Anakin wins all, in good fights.

Mace laughs at Anakin's incompetence and crushes his throat

Besting Mace equal and moving Dreadnoughts shortly after AootC is better than all what Mace has done, lol.

Skywalker sweeps.