RotJ Sidious vs. TOR Vitiate (TP battle)

Started by MS Warehouse5 pages
Originally posted by quanchi112
There goes that insecurity of yours rearing its ugly head again.
Originally posted by quanchi112
There goes that insecurity of yours rearing its ugly head again.

It's funny because Beefy thinks Skillz is on his side or something. It's not like Skillz has stated his opinion that I may be the smartest person on the forum (his words, not mine), and on Beefy...KEK.

Skillz gives me shit but for trolling, not for being a bad debater.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Is he familiar with Vitiate's rituals? I think not, so he's speculating.

There's no evidence that he's unfamiliar with Vitiate's rituals. And people who are intimately familiar with Vitiate, like Beniko, defer to his sitrep.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Vitiate didn't need a nexus on Nathema, it stands to reason he doesn't need one a thousand years later when he perfected the technique.

Vitiate also had the cooperation of thousands of Sith Lords, then. Bereft of that kind of immense power source and willing subjects, it would actually make sense that he would rely on a nexus.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
It's funny because Beefy thinks Skillz is on his side or something. It's not like Skillz has stated his opinion that I may be the smartest person on the forum (his words, not mine), and on Beefy...KEK.

The fact that you would think that further proves your incompetence. I don't think skillz is on my side, I think he thinks (like most people here), that you're dumb. The fact that you have to team up with someone so incredibly butthurt over movie opinions that he needs to parrot other people's insults, shows how sad you are 👆

There's no evidence that he's unfamiliar with Vitiate's rituals. And people who are intimately familiar with Vitiate, like Beniko, defer to his sitrep.

There's no evidence that he IS familiar with Vitiate's rituals. Exactly how many characters are familiar with Vitiate's rituals?

Vitiate also had the cooperation of thousands of Sith Lords, then. Bereft of that kind of immense power source and willing subjects, it would actually make sense that he would rely on a nexus.

Says one source. The one one says he mind raped them, so we can't really go on that can we?

Interesting; Beefy thinks Rane is an unreliable source for not knowing enough about Vitiate's rituals, but takes over an encyclopedia the accounts of Nyriss about events that happened 1000 years ago, that explicitly left no witnesses, which she admitted she couldn't corroborate. mmm

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Interesting; Beefy thinks Rane is an unreliable source for not knowing enough about Vitiate's rituals, but takes over an encyclopedia the accounts of Nyriss about events that happened 1000 years ago, that explicitly left no witnesses, which she admitted she couldn't corroborate. mmm

That post is so hilariously stupid and inaccurate, here's a dancing banana to bring some kind of semblance of sanity back. 💃

Says one source. The one one says he mind raped them, so we can't really go on that can we?

Ouch, looks like your reading comprehension skills (or lack thereof) didn't see me declaring that because of contradicting sources, we can't use this at all.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
There's no evidence that he IS familiar with Vitiate's rituals. Exactly how many characters are familiar with Vitiate's rituals?

...Apparently there's an entire creation myth about them, per Nyriss. And Beniko was actually possessed by Vitiate earlier in the main game. She still steps aside and defers to Kovach lol.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Says one source. The one one says he mind raped them, so we can't really go on that can we?

Says two sources, the SWTOR Encyclopedia and the Codex, both of which are also more recent than Nyriss's legend.

Beniko never gets possessed by Vitiate, lmfao.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Yes, you're upset but try to cry on your own time.

Apparently there's an entire creation myth about them, per Nyriss. And Beniko was actually possessed by Vitiate earlier in the main game. She still steps aside and defers to Kovach lol.

What and where did this happen? Also since when does being possesed by Vitiate give you access to his powers or knowledge of his powers? Only one that seemed to be aware of those is the Godlander.

Says two sources, the SWTOR Encyclopedia and the Codex, both of which are also more recent than Nyriss's legend.

What are they exactly? And why are you opting for recent sources, when in any other debate, you hold fast to older sources that don't take into account things like the creation of other characters?

Yes, you're upset but try to cry on your own time.

Also, I have an upstanding opinion of just about everyone on this forum. Quan included.

As Elm said, I think in terms of knowledge of debating itself, he's beyond exceptional, but unlike Gideon, his conclusions are more often cancerous than not. 🙂

Originally posted by The Ellimist
It's funny because Beefy thinks Skillz is on his side or something. It's not like Skillz has stated his opinion that I may be the smartest person on the forum (his words, not mine), and on Beefy...KEK.

Skillz gives me shit but for trolling, not for being a bad debater.

I will hound him until the end of time. He just upgraded himself to Nai status with me. Yeah, Beefy probably thinks he made a friend or something with Skillz.

Skillz is a political genius on the level of The Tempest with all his flattery tbh.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I will hound him until the end of time. He just upgraded himself to Nai status with me. Yeah, Beefy probably thinks he made a friend or something with Skillz.

Oh that's cute. The butthurt child is going to hound me until the end of time. Think you should probably stop being so transparent right about now. I'll go ahead and wait for you to repeat this exact same line of reasoning back to me 😂

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Skillz is a political genius on the level of The Tempest with all his flattery tbh.

Temp doesn't really indulge in the whole flattery thing unless it's about me. 🙂

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
As Elm said, I think in terms of knowledge of debating itself, he's beyond exceptional, but unlike Gideon, his conclusions are more often cancerous than not. 🙂

Where exactly do I differ from Gideon in my conclusions?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Beniko never gets possessed by Vitiate, lmfao.

you sure?

Doesn't the Hero fight her at one point while she's possessed by him? mmm

Beefy
What and where did this happen? Also since when does being possesed by Vitiate give you access to his powers or knowledge of his powers? Only one that seemed to be aware of those is the Godlander.

It's a recurring theme with Vitiate's TP. People like Revan, HOT, Tol Braga, who have experienced his mindhaxx then develop an intimate understanding of it to the point that they're immune from subsequent attempts?

Beefy
What are they exactly?

The Codex entry, "Ritual of Nathema," which says Imperial scholars celebrate the ritual of Nathema as the rare coming together of Sith for the greater good and the Encyclopedia, which says thousands of Sith flocked to Medriaas to volunteer for the Sith ritual.

Beefy
And why are you opting for recent sources, when in any other debate, you hold fast to older sources that don't take into account things like the creation of other characters?

Because in this case, the newer sources explicitly contradict the older one, which is simply one person's recounting of a tale she explicitly admits is unverifiable by her.

@Elm: The extremity of your conclusions. Where Gideon has Novel Vitiate > Caedus, Valkorion > Plagueis, and DE Sidious > Valkorion, you have Caedus > Novel Vitiate, Plagueis > Valkorion, and DE Sidious >>/>>> Valkorion.

Which I find to be despicable. 🙂

you sure?

Doesn't the Hero fight her at one point while she's possessed by him?


Dude, do you even TOR?

It's a recurring theme with Vitiate's TP. People like Revan, HOT, Tol Braga, who have experienced his mindhaxx then develop an intimate understanding of it to the point that they're immune from subsequent attempts?

The only individuals that seem immune (and I use that term loosely with Vitiate) are Revan and the Godlander, who's probably Valky's offspring. NOT a good pool of candidates there for your example.

The Codex entry, "Ritual of Nathema," which says Imperial scholars celebrate the ritual of Nathema as the rare coming together of Sith for the greater good and the Encyclopedia, which says thousands of Sith flocked to Medriaas to volunteer for the Sith ritual.

That seems like awesomely convenient Empire propaganda 👆

Which I find to be despicable Laughable