Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I was thinking of the dark side ending.Even if we go by the light side, her body and whatever was left of her still fell into the uber nexus as the Trayus Academy split.
It's more than probable she manifested herself as a nexus due to the concentration of the energy below.
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1. Not canon.
2. She doesn't scream, either way, lol. She's already dead.
3. So Traya + Malachor nexus > Vitiate/Sel-Makor? Okay. Not that Sith spirits work in that manner, anyway.
For one, the Emperor's Voice isn't a reflection of Vitiate's full power... especially not the one the Wrath fought.
For two, unlike Kreia which is a concentrated mass of energy, Sel-Makor's power is spread out across a landscape. You can't really compare.
And no, I'm saying it's like she's attached to the nexus and imbued with some of its power.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I never said she became the nexus, dingshit. thumb upJust that she grew more powerful as she fell into it.
Learn to read.
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It's more than probable she manifested herself as a nexus due to the concentration of the energy below.
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Nice edit, lol.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
For one, the Emperor's Voice isn't a reflection of Vitiate's full power... especially not the one the Wrath fought.For two, unlike Kreia which is a concentrated mass of energy, Sel-Makor's power is spread out across a landscape. You can't really compare.
And no, I'm saying it's like she's attached to the nexus and imbued with some of its power.
1. The Wrath doesn't fight Vitiate. He fights Sel-Makor in Vitiate's body.
2. The Wrath enters the Dark Heart, encounters Sel-Makor taking over Vitiate, etc. - I'd say he knows how powerful Sel-Makor is.
3. Sith spirits are always weaker than their living selves, anyway, which is why they need a nexus to sustain thesmelves. And I don't recall a single Sith spirit doing what you mentioned. The need nexuses to manifest - they don't become the nexus, lol.
Originally posted by SunRazer
1. The Wrath doesn't fight Vitiate. He fights Sel-Makor in Vitiate's body.
Originally posted by SunRazer
2. The Wrath enters the Dark Heart, encounters Sel-Makor taking over Vitiate, etc. - I'd say he knows how powerful Sel-Makor is.
3. Sith spirits are always weaker than their living selves, anyway, which is why they need a nexus to sustain thesmelves. And I don't recall a single Sith spirit doing what you mentioned. The need nexuses to manifest - they don't become the nexus, lol.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
OK, and that helps your point... how?Given Sel-Makor wasn't permanently eliminated, it's clear not all of his power was being utilized. So, no.
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1. Well, he sees the Vitiate actually possessing the Voice again after Sel-Makor's defeated. So I'd say that's a reasonable representation of his power. How weakened was he, then?
2. Didn't Vitiate force Sel-Makor out of the body once the Wrath defeated him?
Sel-Makor not being permanently eliminated does not mean he didn't use all of his power, lol. Yoda lost to Sidious in RotS without dying, but he didn't hold back anything.
3. Spirits are still shadows of their former selves in terms of power. The Malachor nexus probably only brings her back to her normal self. And how does that prove that Traya got tied to the Malachor nexus' power?
No. For one, the Emperor's Voice's are infamously weaker than the real deal. Even on Ziost, when Vitiate possess the Jedi Battlemaster, she's still clearly inferior to the protags.
It should be no surprise that Vitiate's Voss body, which was specifically given to him by Darth Baras so that he can be trapped by the power of Sel-Makor, isn't that powerful.
Vitiate's Voss body was locked in a war of wills against an individual that the Wrath bested in single-combat in the heart of his power. The Wrath clearly isn't sizing up any worthwhile piece of Vitiate's pie.
Not all spirit's are shadows to their former self, especially with a lot of power to anchor off of. If Kreia's spirit was born out of the energy of Malachor, it shouldn't be a shocker that she's more powerful than in comparison to in her physical life, in which she's vastly inferior to the likes of Darth Revan, let alone SoR Revan like you were jokingly suggesting but now want to try to defend against for some laughable reason.
Basically, all I'm saying is that there's no way Kreia would have become a Force spirit willingly. At the pit of Malachor V, it's filled with the souls of the dead and ancient Sith spirits, as I recall. It's more than likely she became a ghost due to an external source - which can be attributed to the spirits and the nexus. This makes sense of why someone who hates the Force becomes a manifestation of one, and why she clearly isn't happy with her position of a spirit when the Wrath finds her. Dismissing the circumstances of her death, especially since we know from the past about how ancient spirits anchor themselves in stuff like that, is pretty absurd regardless though.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Basically, all I'm saying is that there's no way Kreia would have become a Force spirit willingly. At the pit of Malachor V, it's filled with the souls of the dead and ancient Sith spirits, as I recall. It's more than likely she became a ghost due to an external source - which can be attributed to the spirits and the nexus. This makes sense of why someone who hates the Force becomes a manifestation of one, and why she clearly isn't happy with her position of a spirit when the Wrath finds her. Dismissing the circumstances of her death, especially since we know from the past about how ancient spirits anchor themselves in stuff like that, is pretty absurd regardless though.
She's not unhappy about being a spirit. She's unhappy about being enslaved to Baras' will. Regarding the fact that she wouldn't want to be a spirit - true, but it's really just a matter of TOR's horrific retcons.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No. For one, the Emperor's Voice's are infamously weaker than the real deal. Even on Ziost, when Vitiate possess the Jedi Battlemaster, she's still clearly inferior to the protags.It should be no surprise that Vitiate's Voss body, which was specifically given to him by Darth Baras so that he can be trapped by the power of Sel-Makor, isn't that powerful.
Vitiate's Voss body was locked in a war of wills against an individual that the Wrath bested in single-combat in the heart of his power. The Wrath clearly isn't sizing up any worthwhile piece of Vitiate's pie.
I'm aware of this, and I know that Vitiate's Voss body isn't as powerful as Vitiate himself, lol - Vitiate's confirmed to be > Traya by sources.
That said, Voss!Voice > DK!Voice, is he not?
Not all spirit's are shadows to their former self, especially with a lot of power to anchor off of. If Kreia's spirit was born out of the energy of Malachor, it shouldn't be a shocker that she's more powerful than in comparison to in her physical life, in which she's vastly inferior to the likes of Darth Revan, let alone SoR Revan like you were jokingly suggesting but now want to try to defend against for some laughable reason.
First of all, spirits begin their existence at the moment of their death, and Traya did not die in the pit. What happens to the corpse (which is now just an empty shell) after the physical death is irrelevant.
Secondly, you haven't any proof of this, lol.