Originally posted by carver9
You posting that Black Bolt and Hulk showing is like me posting this...I can post Aquaman having a prolong fight against Diana as well or him hanging with and beating Hercules.
no where close to the same because bolt and hulk were actually FIGHTING. superman wasn't even ready or looking for a fight. it was as much a sucker shot as anything. that's what you meant though when you said AM "took on" superman, wasn't it....? carv, that is utterly ridiculous, even for you. bb vs glads was at least a real fight, and bolt more than held his own physically. had superman decided to actually fight, he'd crush arthur. glads wasn't going to crush bolt, though he'd likely have beaten him had it stayed strictly h2h.
arthur's best showing in his series was against herc. he didn't do much against cheetah and the darkseid stuff, really? on combat showings bolt has at the LEAST as good showings, and i'd say better. in terms of pure strength showings, arthur has it. i think combat feats trump pure strength feats hence the reason i say bolt edges him out here.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
How does trading punches with someone make you their physical equal.You can't say just because Black Bolt can trade blows with Hulk so they share the same strength feats. Unless he stalemates Hulk in a grapple or Overpowers him he's not physically equal or superior to Hulk.
Sending someone flying doesn't make you someone's equal. Aquaman has sent Superman flying in a pretty famous scan (Say what you Wan about holding back but that doesn't change your durability), he's sent Martian Manhunter flying with a punch, as well as sent Despero and Hercules flying with a punch.
In actual strength feats I'm pretty sure Aquaman has the better ones.
In actual fights against characters it might be pretty evened out
In durability Aquaman has the better feats all around ironically
considering
Piercing Durability ironically Aquaman has a edge
Speed should be pretty even
The only edge BB has is in power output via his voice and that's not being used here
This isn't about strength feats, this is about the two character's hand to hand prowess. Plus, show me one poster in this threat or any other who claimed Black Bolt was stronger than the Hulk.
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Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Its the fact that you think being able to send Hulk flying > Aquaman. Sending Hulk flying is nice but that doesn't make you his equal.
If we go by statements Aquaman is suggested to be one of the strongest characters on DC Earth. How well does that BB scan hold up in present day? Where Hulk over the ages has gotten stronger.
http://imgur.com/wtATi9D
In the same comic Aquaman more or less was matching Wonder Woman and this is after she became GOW.
http://imgur.com/PmaR71A
During the Forever Evil storyline
If this is strictly New52 in limited but doing well against Wonder Woman h2h who is an actual fighter is pretty notable, Stalemating Cheshire while showing restraint is also pretty norable.
If I am not restricted New52 there's stuff with Amazo and Despero who are team wreckers that are notable.
Originally posted by -Pr-
ITT: Plenty of people that have barely read Aquaman comics, and refuse to take him seriously.I honestly don't think he'd beat Blackbolt, but I don't have an unreasonable dislike for either character.
Not really the point as far as I am concerned. AM is of a certain tier for the vast majority of his existence and so is BB. BB is simply in a higher tier. I don't hate Aquaman, but I don't have a ton of respect for him either.
I honestly like both characters alot, moreso Aquaman because of the way his mythology has been handled, BB I like in the way that he has alot of potential and areas that would be cool to see explored.
I honestly don't think BB (Comp) edges Aquaman (Comp) in anything other then Power Output via his voice though and that could probably be debated depending on who they go up against for damage output.
Originally posted by -Pr-
ITT: Plenty of people that have barely read Aquaman comics, and refuse to take him seriously.I honestly don't think he'd beat Blackbolt, but I don't have an unreasonable dislike for either character.
I mean, people are legitimately comparing his strength to Superman and WW ffs
The funny thing with context though is,
http://s55.photobucket.com/user/SpunkySmurph/media/Marvel/Strength1.jpg.html
"My liege the weak point on his chest"
Originally posted by Cogito
Are you kidding? People are taking Arthur more seriously in this thread than I've literally ever seen him taken 😐I mean, people are legitimately comparing his strength to Superman and WW ffs
There comparing statements. To be honest though I don't think New52 Aquaman and N52 Wonder Woman are far off in strength or at least i can see it debated. Superman is another story.
I honestly don't put much fate in statements but I don't see how comparing Arthur to Diana or Clark is worse then cutting a scan in half to exclude the fact BB had to hit Hulk in a certain spot.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
There comparing statements. To be honest though I don't think New52 Aquaman and N52 Wonder Woman are far off in strength or at least i can see it debated. Superman is another story.I honestly don't put much fate in statements but I don't see how comparing Arthur to Diana or Clark is worse then cutting a scan in half to exclude the fact BB had to hit Hulk in a certain spot.
I didn't cut a scan in half, that's how it appeared on the site I linked from. Besides, the print hasn't changed.
The point is BB has always been a true herald. Not an elite herald, but a true herald with an elite attack. Aquaman? No where close.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I didn't cut a scan in half.
My mistake then you convienently posted a scan that had missing information.
BB has struggled against characters like The Thing and Namor which isn't a bad thing but I think suggesting he's a pier with Hulk in regards to h2h is a bit much when he doesn't even stay strictly h2h when facing Hulk.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I didn't cut a scan in half, that's how it appeared on the site I linked from. Besides, the print hasn't changed.The point is BB has always been a true herald. Not an elite herald, but a true herald with an elite attack. Aquaman? No where close.
Aquaman has actually went against legit Herald team busters and done well and this is pure h2h, can BB say the same?
Aquaman does not really hurt herald-busters except to poke them with his trident (e.g. Darkseid's eye).
And don't bother pulling out a scan that contradicts what I just said. If you do, I'll start pulling out scans of a batkick hurting heralds. Everyone gets a little something something once in a while to make them seem useful.
Originally posted by Cogito
Aquaman does not really hurt herald-busters except to poke them with his trident (e.g. Darkseid's eye).And don't bother pulling out a scan that contradicts what I just said. If you do, I'll start pulling out scans of a batkick hurting heralds. Everyone gets a little something something once in a while to make them seem useful.
Lol. Makes a statement then says don't bother proving me wrong cause I won't accept it.
A bit biast don't you think..
Difference is in Batman's title he generally tends to struggle against street characters, even in the JL from time to time he does as well. Sure there's a few popular scans from time to time again but consistency doesn't favor Batman.
Whereas New52 Aquaman has consistently been suggested as a pier to New52 Diana and actually has physical strength showings above Batman. Heck Diana doesn't have much strength showings in the New52 the only one I can think of is the ship one from TOA and I'd put the Trench feat above that. Hell even Pre-Flashpoint he has alot of insane showings moreso then New52 in a solo or team setting. Whereas alot of these team showings Batman is convienently missing for a reason.
