Empire's Wrath speculation

Arcann in underrated. He's supposed to be above Jedi and Sith entirely, on another level. You should be rating him higher, not them lower.

Plus the Outlander was still coming off the effects of the carbonite freezing (plus electrocution). They're never shown actually recovering from that and its only a few days between the rescue and the fight. They still did manage to tag him with blaster shots multiple times/force push him and press him in sabers.

Neph, are you really trying to argue Arcann can't ragdoll the HoT when he does it, like, half-a-dozen times in the span of just two fights? 😬

If the protags were Dooku level, Revan and Arcann would be Yoda level, and that doesn't make sense.

You don't need to be Yoda level to throw Dooku around. 😬

As I pointed out, Arcann isn't so far above the Outlander that they can't force push him back.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Arcann in underrated. He's supposed to be above Jedi and Sith entirely, on another level. You should be rating him higher, not them lower.

Plus the Outlander was still coming off the effects of the carbonite freezing (plus electrocution). They're never shown actually recovering from that and its only a few days between the rescue and the fight. They still did manage to tag him with blaster shots multiple times/force push him and press him in sabers.

And they never really shown anything, on the other hand there is no indication that they haven't recovered to my knowledge. So I can't help but doubt that logic.

And lol, his push did less than Ahsoka's did to Vader, as I recall. They were evidently outclassed.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You don't need to be Yoda level to throw Dooku around. 😬

As I pointed out, Arcann isn't so far above the Outlander that they can't force push him back.

Didn't Hotlander beat Arcann on their last meeting?

Yeah, but that's with a portion of Valkorion's power and a lightsaber imbued with the energies of Darth Marr and Satele Shan.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
What Jedi and Sith, Sidious and Yoda? Lol. But yeah he certainly makes a mockery out of the best the TOR era has to offer.

And they never really shown anything, on the other hand there is no indication that they haven't recovered to my knowledge. So I can't help but doubt that logic.

And lol, his push did less than Ahsoka's did to Vader, as I recall. They were evidently outclassed.

And the best they have to offer is pretty damn impressive. You shouldn't ignore the still just as impressive displays simply because someone bigger came along. The things AP posted in this thread didn't go away.

Ogglllobb (or whatever) does mention that he wants to take scans of you to check out the effects of the freezing, which is obviously after the fight.

Arcann isn't a jobber like Vader and the Outlander didn't hit him mid-swing when he wasn't expecting it. Plus you wank Ahsoka to the bone anyway. 😆

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Erm? 😬

You don't think Vader or Revan could do it?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
They shoved him, like, a meter back, IIRC. It was pathetic and, if anything, further indication of Arcann's vast superiority.

Not at all. The point of that is to show that the Outlander isn't completely outclassed, hence him getting angry that you managed it. You then push him back again after HK dies. Non-Force Sensitives tagging him with blast shots isn't pathetic, Force Users TK'ing him isn't pathetic.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And the best they have to offer is pretty damn impressive. You shouldn't ignore the still just as impressive displays simply because someone bigger came along. The things AP posted in this thread didn't go away.

Ogglllobb (or whatever) does mention that he wants to take scans of you to check out the effects of the freezing, which is obviously after the fight.

Arcann isn't a jobber like Vader and the Outlander didn't hit him mid-swing when he wasn't expecting it. Plus you wank Ahsoka to the bone anyway. 😆

The way I see it the protags simply are just utterly outclassed by top-tier opponents like Revan, Vader, Krayt, Exar Kun etc. as someone like Arcann coming along has demonstrated.

Unless we are to assume Arcann is more powerful than such individuals? Nah.

And what has Vader "jobbing" got to do with the distance he was pushed? Forgot to raise his defenses or something? Lol, a tacky excuse. And I reckon you have the protags a lot higher than I have Ahsoka. 👆

I mean a Jedi Master classified a literal superweapon before he spent 16+ years meditating on the Force, achieving enlightenment and growing much more powerful? Pretty damn great. Ekkage being even stronger, being thought of as as potent a weapon as anything the Sith have ever had (need I remind you on what that entails) and being suggested to be greatest foe the Wrath had face after the Revan fight? Uh, pretty ****ing good? Sel-Makor, a godlike being of darkside power possessing the Emperor's Voice, in his lair while creating creatures out of thin air? Slick af. Baras, thought nigh-indestructable even after the Wrath has defeated those opponents? Greatness achieved tru fax.

But they weren't utterly outclassed, they managed to hold protracted duels with him. Plus you can be seriously powerful and still be outclassed by those guys in the Force.

Vader under-performs in fights all the time. Dude was pushed back even further by Kanan and Ezra. Big deal. But yeah, he was in mid-swing.

...And yet after all those accomplishments, he gets spanked by SoR Revan.

It's almost as if Revan is really ****ing powerful and they were fighting on his turf or something. And Revan lost.

Lets not forget that Revan was also killed by the Wrath and his comrades prior to that.

The Wrath had more advantages than Revan in Terrace fight, lmfao.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It's almost as if Revan is really ****ing powerful and they were fighting on his turf or something. And Revan lost.

Lets not forget that Revan was also killed by the Wrath and his comrades prior to that.

Revan is really ****ing powerful indeed, but he's not more powerful than Yoda, and that essentially puts him around the level of people like Exar Kun. Which in turn would place Wrath a couple tiers below and pretty much proves his feats are blown out of proportion.

Revan losing isn't the point here. If it was Wrath vs. Revan 1v1 without the aid of the team, Wrath would get utterly annihilated.

Originally posted by Petrus
Revan is really ****ing powerful indeed, but he's not more powerful than Yoda, and that essentially puts him around the level of people like Exar Kun. Which in turn would place Wrath a couple tiers below and pretty much proves his feats are blown out of proportion.

Revan losing isn't the point here. If it was Wrath vs. Revan 1v1 without the aid of the team, Wrath would get utterly annihilated.

Even if a protagonist is below Revan, the gap is small.

Revan would make Surro his *****. 😬

There's no way she's above even Satele.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Revan would make Surro his *****. 😬

There's no way she's above even Satele.

Vitiate valued her far more than any other individual under his spell on Ziost. And this should tell you something. While other individuals were dropping like flies, Master Surro was walking around as if she was walking in a park or something.

I'd gamble the life of my family, immediate friends, all personal possessions, and every second-born male in India that it's true. 😬

Shan's better in every possible way you can compare the two.

The fact the protag needed a massive strike team to take on Revan and still needed help from his spirit is clear indication Revan's leagues ahead.

Vitiate valued her far more than any other individual under his spell on Ziost. And this should tell you something.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I'd gamble the life of my family, immediate friends, all personal possessions, and every second-born male in India that it's true. 😬

Shan's better in every possible way you can compare the two.

The fact the protag needed a massive strike team to take on Revan and still needed help from his spirit is clear indication Revan's leagues ahead.

If an individual is powerful enough to WTFpwn the likes of Lana Beniko, then that individual is among the elites. I know this much.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No one else there was impressive. 😬 It's not like the Dark and Jedi Council were there.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
My opinion of the protags has gone down since they were thrashed by Arcann tbh.