Empire's Wrath speculation

Originally posted by Nephthys
I mean a Jedi Master classified a literal superweapon before he spent 16+ years meditating on the Force, achieving enlightenment and growing much more powerful? Pretty damn great. Ekkage being even stronger, being thought of as as potent a weapon as anything the Sith have ever had (need I remind you on what that entails) and being suggested to be greatest foe the Wrath had face [b]after the Revan fight? Uh, pretty ****ing good? Sel-Makor, a godlike being of darkside power possessing the Emperor's Voice, in his lair while creating creatures out of thin air? Slick af. Baras, thought nigh-indestructable even after the Wrath has defeated those opponents? Greatness achieved tru fax.

But they weren't utterly outclassed, they managed to hold protracted duels with him. Plus you can be seriously powerful and still be outclassed by those guys in the Force.

Vader under-performs in fights all the time. Dude was pushed back even further by Kanan and Ezra. Big deal. But yeah, he was in mid-swing. [/B]

The only concrete showing I'm seeing here is the Wrath defeating the Emperor's Voice possessed by Sel-Makor. But then we can only guess at how powerful such a being would be, and how much of an effect the Emperor's resistance would have had on his strength.

What? Why would that mean he dropped his defenses? And he was distracted as I recall. Hardly sets a precedent for Vader having poor Force defenses.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Satele Shan have much greater exposure in the lore as well.

If an individual is powerful enough to WTFpwn the likes of Lana Beniko, then that individual is among the elites. I know this much.

Sorry my friend, many Jedi [Masters] were there. You can't just boast that no one was impressive in the entire damn planet.

What has Lana Beniko ever done that makes her impressive? 😕

Yeah he can. Random Jedi Master = impressive?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
So largerly opinions, hyperbole and facts relative to one's contemporaries.

The only concrete showing I'm seeing here is the Wrath defeating the Emperor's Voice possessed by Sel-Makor. But then we can only guess at how powerful such a being would be, and how much of an effect the Emperor's resistance would have had on his strength.

And the Wrath had the help of a Jedi Master to defeat Ekkage. 🙂

Originally posted by Petrus
What has Lana Beniko ever done that makes her impressive? 😕

Originally posted by Petrus
Yeah he can. Random Jedi Master = impressive?

Random Jedi have crashed buildings in TOR.

All the Force sensitives protags are meant to be equal.

But if you judge by feats, they're probably not. 🙂

Then Nox and HoT are GOAT 👆

Originally posted by MythLord
Then Nox and HoT are GOAT 👆

👆 👆

Except Baras amped by Sel-Makor, is more powerful than pretty much the entire Dark Council and is considered almost indestructible, Wrath literally 'ruined' him.

Being 'nigh-indestructible' is clearly a hyperbole if the Wrath could defeat him. He wasn't powerful enough that the Council cowered at his feet or anything even remotely similar, and when he demanded them to help him destroy Wrath, they refused. Yeah, you don't refuse someone who you know is more powerful than you by a significant margin and much less if he's claiming to be the Voice. The Council always doubted his supposed power.

And if Sel-Makor had alleged God-like powers, he sure as hell wouldn't have been defeated by the Wrath, considering the Wrath isn't above the likes of Exar Kun or Krayt, much less above the likes of Yoda, Revan or Sidious. So yeah, I'm not all in on the Sel-Makor amp making Baras an almost indestructible being of ultimate power.

You're borderline red-herring here.

His power has made him nigh-indestructible, it's referring to his position of powr, not literal invulnerability. They stayed out of it because of the Wrath, they decided that the victor tells the truth, evem stating that they'll takr their chances rather than choose sides.

Darth Baras was already one of the most powerful Sith by being on the Dark Council and was briefly contending with Satele Shan, thirty years before his prime. Then he gets amplified by a being powerful enough to mentally overwhelm the Voss of the Emperor and create abominations out of pure energy.

It's more impressive than Thanaton.

Originally posted by AncientPower
You're borderline red-herring here.

His power has made him nigh-indestructible, it's referring to his position of powr, not literal invulnerability. They stayed out of it because of the Wrath, they decided that the victor tells the truth, evem stating that they'll takr their chances rather than choose sides.

Which means that they weren't sure at all Baras was as powerful as he claimed to be, and they decided the Wrath would be a good way to determine this. And if being 'nigh-indestructible' isn't referring to actual combative power, why does it even matter?

Darth Baras was already one of the most powerful Sith by being on the Dark Council and was briefly contending with Satele Shan, thirty years before his prime. Then he gets amplified by a being powerful enough to mentally overwhelm the Voss of the Emperor and create abominations out of pure energy.

It's more impressive than Thanaton.

You said yourself he's one of the most powerful Sith by being on the Dark Counci. Well, Thanaton was also on the DC, and he actually has displayed much more impressive power than Baras [his very remarkable lightning, for example]. Nox absolutely tooled and humiliated one of the most powerful Sith like it was nothing. Like, he literally brought him to his knees and tanked his most potent attack, then proceeded to destroy him.

Even if Baras > Thanaton, it most likely wouldn't have been by a great margin, and his duel against the Wrath was described as 'fierce', so it was probably a close one.

Nothing the Wrath has done comes close to the way in which he utterly dominated Thanaton.

The Wrath and Nox are on the same level.

One's a Force powerhouse - the other is a combat juggernaut

I just don't buy that all the Protags are equal tbh.

And sure, Wrath has some great saber skills and most probably superior to Nox's, but I wouldn't say they exceed the latter's by a very significant margin. His spirits give him the edge imo.

Originally posted by Petrus
And if Sel-Makor had alleged God-like powers, he sure as hell wouldn't have been defeated by the Wrath, considering the Wrath isn't above the likes of Exar Kun or Krayt, much less above the likes of Yoda, Revan or Sidious. So yeah, I'm not all in on the Sel-Makor amp making Baras an almost indestructible being of ultimate power.

Sel-Makor made Vitiate his ***** so...

The fact that the Wrath bests this monster is just more evidence that he is greater than Nox.

Originally posted by ares834
Sel-Makor made Vitiate his ***** so...

The fact that the Wrath bests this monster is just more evidence that he is greater than Nox.

Yeah, then I guess Baras > everyone sans Vit and Wrath 🙂

Sel-Makor didn't make Vitiate his *****. Making the Voss his ***** does not = making Vitiate his *****.

Originally posted by Petrus
Yeah, then I guess Baras > everyone sans Vit and Wrath 🙂

Strawman. 🙂

Originally posted by Petrus
Sel-Makor didn't make Vitiate his *****. Making the Voss his ***** does not = making Vitiate his *****.

Sure it does. That Voss has the “power and consciousness” of Vitiate, and yet Sel-Makor was mentally dominating him.

@Petrus Nah. The best Vitiate could manage was not get mind****ed by Makor. Which is more impressive for Makor, or Vitiate? mmm

So ares you're basically saying Sel-Makor > Vitiate?

More impressive for Vitiate, given that the only reason Makor could compete in the first place was because of some special power over the Voss iirc.