Empire's Wrath speculation

Originally posted by Beniboybling
At the end, at the beginning he's writhing and spasming in pain, and though pretty quickly he becomes almost entirely obscured, you can still make out that he ends up getting levitated off the ground before going limp.

The fact that he was ultimately able to "shrug it off" when the storm subsided hardly proves he wasn't under significant duress at its peak.

He wasn't under enough duress that by the end of the blast he was weak, debilitated or even remotely injured, and either way, he pretty much tanked the whole strike by doing nothing but stand there.

It's pretty clear Nox vs. Thanaton was lopsided to say the least. When the fight ends with the one of the Sith stopping the other's saber strike point-blank and using the Force to put him on his knees after tanking his most powerful attack, I don't know why someone would consider it anything less than a near stomp.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Not to mention, if Nox could just dominate Thanaton, he wouldn't have been able to escape on Corellia. Nox wasn't able to die during their duel with Thanaton, either of them. But hey, let's ignore that because they had to put in effort to TK a man near death.

Corellia has nothing to do with it. The fact that Thanaton was running for his life pretty much proves my point. He knew he wouldn't survive against Nox this time. And what does Nox not being able to die have anything to do with it? Yeah, he couldn't die because of the spirits. So? What's your point?

No it doesn't. the fact that Nox doesn't just instantly TK Thanaton into a wall and kill him kind of does the opposite of prove your point. Obviously Thanaton won't survive Nox. Nox can't die and can just keep fighting no matter how injured they become. It's not that hard to add 2 and 2. It's always 4.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No it doesn't. the fact that Nox doesn't just instantly TK Thanaton into a wall and kill him kind of does the opposite of prove your point. Obviously Thanaton won't survive Nox. Nox can't die and can just keep fighting no matter how injured they become. It's not that hard to add 2 and 2. It's always 4.

Nox not TKing Thanaton into a wall and killing him while on Corellia isn't proof of anything. Thanaton was on the run, Nox simply couldn't catch up to him... Doesn't mean shit in regards to combative prowess.

Yeah, Nox can't die. So? That's partially what makes him so powerful and impressive, but it's definitely not like Thanaton beat him repeatedly and he just kept getting up because he can't die [ala Sion]. Due to the power the spirits granted Nox, Thanaton got his ass thoroughly kicked. There's really not much to it.

Originally posted by Petrus
He wasn't under enough duress that by the end of the blast he was weak, debilitated or even remotely injured, and either way, he pretty much tanked the whole strike by doing nothing but stand there.

It's pretty clear Nox vs. Thanaton was lopsided to say the least. When the fight ends with the one of the Sith stopping the other's saber strike point-blank and using the Force to put him on his knees after tanking his most powerful attack, I don't know why someone would consider it anything less than a near stomp.

But yeah, the fight was evidently one-sided, but that's not what's been contested. Rather that Nox could destroy him in that manner without wearing him down significantly first.

Fresh is also correct, if Nox could dominate Thanaton so, the latter would never have been in a position to escape in the first place.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
A last ditch attempt to defeat your opponent hardly constitutes Thanaton's most powerful attack, friend. And know amount of flashy animations makes it so. Nor is it a surprise that after certainly exhausting what little reserves he had left Nox ragdolled.

But yeah, the fight was evidently one-sided, but that's not what's been contested. Rather that Nox could destroy him in that manner without wearing him down significantly first.

Fresh is also correct, if Nox could dominate Thanaton so, the latter would never have been in a position to escape in the first place.

Those flashy animations tho indicate that that last attack was very powerful indeed, which would mean Thanaton was on good shape before that. He unleashed the most powerful attack in his arsenal in an attempt to finally kill Nox. His most powerful attack got tanked. When your most powerful attack gets tanked by virtually doing nothing but stand there taking the shot, you know you're being dominated by your opponent. And Nox only wore him down because Thanaton was going all-out on him and couldn't do much. That also translates as domination of your opponent in my book.

Thanaton was on the run the whole time, and Nox was trying to corner him. He never got the chance to do so.

Wrong again I'm afraid friend.

After bringing Thanaton's health bar to zero, the cutscene shows him clutching his chest an staggering away, before throwing a few pathetic bolts of lightning at Nox which he easily dismisses. He is evidently not in "good shape" at all.

The idea therefore that what he then unleashed was his "most powerful attack" is categorically wrong, nor is it described as such in any source I am aware of.

And semantics on "domination" aside, the fact remains that he cannot destroy Thanaton so easily straight out of the gate.

And as for Thanaton being on the run the whole time? That's not the impression I got from him arranging the fight and then proceeding to attack you. Certainly he doesn't flee in the proceeding boss fight, and is only shown to retreat at the end of their engagement.

I think he's referring to the fact that Thanaton ran from him the first time he was engaged on Corellia.

I was also under the impression that the lightning storm we saw was indeed Thanaton's best, last stand that may have been capable of defeating Nox had he not also released the full power of all 5 spirits to counter it.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I think he's referring to the fact that Thanaton ran from him the first time he was engaged on Corellia.

I am, yes.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Wrong again I'm afraid friend.

After bringing Thanaton's health bar to zero, the cutscene shows him clutching his chest an staggering away, before throwing a few pathetic bolts of lightning at Nox which he easily dismisses. He is evidently not in "good shape" at all.

Maybe he wasn't 100%, but either way, the attack he unleashed on Nox was very powerful. I think anyone can see that. The fact is Nox tanked a Force storm by literally just standing there.

And if Thanaton touching his chest and staggering away is an indication of him being exhausted/injured, then we can also clear up just how well Nox was doing prior to tanking the Force storm, because in that cut-scene Nox doesn't appear to be staggering, limping or even tired. Based on that, it's pretty clear Nox wasn't being pushed at all, nor is there any indication that he was.

And as for Thanaton being on the run the whole time? That's not the impression I got from him arranging the fight and then proceeding to attack you. Certainly he doesn't flee in the proceeding boss fight, and is only shown to retreat at the end of their engagement.

Yes, they briefly engaged, and when Thanaton realized he was doomed, he made a run for it and escaped. And when he did, Nox didn't even try to stop him with the Force or anything of the sort.

Pure cancer.

Might as well say Kenobi can dominate Anakin, because he could ragdoll after he cut of his limbs and left him to burn.

lol, yeah it's pretty much the same. You're spot on with the comparison. 👆